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Old October 26th, 2013, 09:58 PM   #22701
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Actually, with the Brits it's a different story. And a confusing one. Officially they've gone metric. EU directives even made pounds and ounces in public places illegal. However, they're still sticking with miles on the roads.

To me it doesn't really matter. I'm comfortable with both systems.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 09:59 PM   #22702
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(And now I know why no other American, at least so it seems, ever wanders into the Roadside Rest Area lately. Sheesh.)
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Old October 26th, 2013, 10:01 PM   #22703
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Actually, with the Brits it's a different story. And a confusing one. Officially they've gone metric. EU directives even made pounds and ounces in public places illegal. However, they're still sticking with miles on the roads.

To me it doesn't really matter. I'm comfortable with both systems.
Ah, "EU directives".... But that's none of MY business.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 10:05 PM   #22704
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(And now I know why no other American, at least so it seems, ever wanders into the Roadside Rest Area lately. Sheesh.)
I find it totally boring here most of the time. But just when I'm about to unsubscribe something interesting comes up. But patience is a virtue though. A couple of months ago they kept on whining and whining about shitty little cars for their wives and girlfriends.

*yawn*

I'm also on the British and European discussion forums a lot. A lot of Americans there as well. Most of the people there are the live and let live kind.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 10:14 PM   #22705
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All these metric vs imperial posts made me think of this old Usenet text.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 10:34 PM   #22706
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If you choose to follow the traditions in everything you do, how will you ever develop as a society/nation/economy?

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Not everything, not everything! I've bought colour TV 22 years ago

By the way, I do not know if I missed something or what, but this discussion looks like Americans and Britons forced poor Continentals to use Imperial measures from January the first of 2014. Have they forced us to do so? Yes?
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Not everything, not everything! I've bought colour TV 22 years ago

By the way, I do not know if I missed something or what, but this discussion looks like Americans and Britons forced poor Continentals to use Imperial measures from January the first of 2014. Have they forced us to do so? Yes?
Actually Brits use the metric system (SI units) for almost 20 years, although mostly in formal situations. They still have their old units in their head. I wonder how they managed to calculate prices when they had a pound divided in 20 shillings and 240 pence.
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I read an interesting (but possibly bullshit) explanation of that once: rich people never needed to deal with pennies, poor people never dealt with pounds, so any given individual was just working in two units at a time....
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Old October 26th, 2013, 11:49 PM   #22710
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In inches, I'm guessing.

Serious, sincere question for Spinoza or anyone else who feels moved to answer: give some examples (or even one) of when you were personally inconvenienced by Americans' and Britons' (and Jamaicans' and...) having a different measurement system than you.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 11:51 PM   #22711
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All these metric vs imperial posts made me think of this old Usenet text.
AND THEN Igor Imperial divided something in thirds and walked away victorious, to work on inventing manned space travel, computers and the Internet, while Mr. Metric was still looking for room to continue his infinite string of 3s. :-P
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Serious, sincere question for Spinoza or anyone else who feels moved to answer: give some examples (or even one) of when you were personally inconvenienced by Americans' and Britons' (and Jamaicans' and...) having a different measurement system than you.
This pointless discussion
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Old October 26th, 2013, 11:53 PM   #22713
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Good answer. A Slovak started it, though (this time...)
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How is the knowledge of the metric system in the USA? Do most people know how much is a meter, kilometer, kilogram... When foreign books or movies are commercialized in the USA, are units converted during the translation process?
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I read an interesting (but possibly bullshit) explanation of that once: rich people never needed to deal with pennies, poor people never dealt with pounds, so any given individual was just working in two units at a time....
Penny it's a particular word: its plural is irregular in BrE (pence) and regular in AmE (pennies).
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Penny it's a particular word: its plural is irregular in BrE (pence) and regular in AmE (pennies).
Not quite: the plural of penny referring to the coin is "pennies" even in Britain. The plural of penny referring to the unit of currency (1/12th of an old shilling, 1/100th of a pound post-decimalization) is "pence."

Now, as to your other question: we all learn both systems, I haven't paid a lot of attention to how measurements are converted in translated books of movie subtitles.... I just read Wikipedia's articles on "metrication in the United States" and - just out of curiosity - "metrication in Canada." Interesting stuff, if you're a geek.... More use of Imperial in everyday life in Canada than I thought (fruits and vegetables being advertised in pounds...) and supposedly Canadian schools have started teaching Imperial after several decades of only metric, because people will need it in certain professions.
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Euro changeover was costly. I'm no economist, but it simplified things and in the long run benefits outrun costs. At least, so they say.
That's debatable. Anyway, switching to Euro is not alike to switching a unit of measurement. It has effects on the real world .

In general, yes I think that SI units should be universal and yes I think it would bring savings in the long run that would exceed the costs that the US would have to pay in the next 30 years or so.

It's the same like left or right side driving question. Costly to change it now, but in the long run the benefits would outrun the costs I think, although here it is mayhaps questionable.
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In inches, I'm guessing.

Serious, sincere question for Spinoza or anyone else who feels moved to answer: give some examples (or even one) of when you were personally inconvenienced by Americans' and Britons' (and Jamaicans' and...) having a different measurement system than you.
Since I watch porn, I'm obliged to make calculations to understand how long a guy's schlong is supposed to be those are real problems in life

More seriously, being employed in the transportation field I sometimes have to study US documents and standards, so mph get a bit in my way; but 1,61 is now easy for me to remember, and I have the most used values already stored in my mind, so... whatever.
When I have to deal with car figures, with MPGs I begin to have no clue.

Actually, what I really stumble on is the "1.234,56" vs "1,234.56" thing.

If we want to be honest, we have our own conflicting standars within EU. I hate the "l/100 km" figure, which is stupidly used instead of "km/l" for marketing reasons.
The conversion km/h > m/s is a mess too, using hours to indicate a measure is due to tradition, but is not less "irrational" than gallons or yards... we're just used to it.
And what really I can't get over is using HP instead of the -proper- kW.

We don't even have a common symbol for (PS, CV, hk, pk, ks, ch), and we can't use the English HP because it's on a slightly different scale!
And to make everything worse, in Italy and France we use one more unit which is named like horsepower but is based on engine displacement and not on power!

We can't blame the US for this mess, for sure...
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Not quite: the plural of penny referring to the coin is "pennies" even in Britain. The plural of penny referring to the unit of currency (1/12th of an old shilling, 1/100th of a pound post-decimalization) is "pence."

Now, as to your other question: we all learn both systems, I haven't paid a lot of attention to how measurements are converted in translated books of movie subtitles.... I just read Wikipedia's articles on "metrication in the United States" and - just out of curiosity - "metrication in Canada." Interesting stuff, if you're a geek.... More use of Imperial in everyday life in Canada than I thought (fruits and vegetables being advertised in pounds...) and supposedly Canadian schools have started teaching Imperial after several decades of only metric, because people will need it in certain professions.
Even mainland Europe is marginally influenced by the imperial system (screens size,...).
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TV screens, rims, tires, plumbing are good examples of "every system is fine on its own". We live perfectly fine lives dealing with 15" or 17" rims, since we just need to compare them and not convert them into cm.
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