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Old November 16th, 2013, 05:03 PM   #22921
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Suburbia, or neighborhoods with homeowners associations that have silly rules, being the "habitat" whose human mentality is weird?

Both. The one which requires so hard making everything decent by its own rules and one which doesn't know what taking care about tidiness actually is. It's bad to punish that guy so hard for him silly neglect, but interesting for guy living where ALL rules of arranging common space are actually unexisting.
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Old November 16th, 2013, 05:07 PM   #22922
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Why is that a problem? Things work a little bit different over there. Besides, Bern is the capital of Switzerland but Zurich is the place to be. And when there were still two Germanies, they picked Bonn as the capital in Western Germany, instead of Hamburg or Munich...

The Netherlands has gone for a different approach as well. Even though Amsterdam is the capital, the government and parliament, the head of State (the King) and all embassies are in The Hague.
If someone, let's say from Italy, study at school that Madrid it's the capital of Spain, he would probably remind it forever, since Madrid it's famous, many people go there and you often hear about it. If someone from Oregon read that Tallahassee is the capital of Florida, maybe he will forget it because one doesn't hear of Tallahassee every day.

By the way, being capital of an administrative territory, does make a town more famous in its country. For example in Italy everybody have heard of Sondrio and Isernia, even if they are small towns, because they are provincial capitals. Probably less people know about Giugliano in Campania, Sesto San Giovanni, Martina Franca, Busto Arsizio, Nichelino, San Donŕ di Piave,... that are bigger but they aren't provincial capitals.
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Old November 16th, 2013, 05:09 PM   #22923
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Old November 16th, 2013, 05:14 PM   #22924
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The fact that U.S. state capitals are frequently small cities doesn't help either. What's the capital of Missouri? Not Kansas City or St. Louis (two large metropolitan areas), but the small city of Jefferson City. The same counts for numerous other state capitals which are more often than not a smaller city than the largest city. Even Austin is not that well-known due to its legacy as a small city, despite having grown tremendously over the last few decades and getting close to a 2 million metro population.
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Old November 16th, 2013, 05:58 PM   #22925
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Old November 16th, 2013, 06:07 PM   #22926
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If someone, let's say from Italy, study at school that Madrid it's the capital of Spain, he would probably remind it forever, since Madrid it's famous, many people go there and you often hear about it. If someone from Oregon read that Tallahassee is the capital of Florida, maybe he will forget it because one doesn't hear of Tallahassee every day.

By the way, being capital of an administrative territory, does make a town more famous in its country. For example in Italy everybody have heard of Sondrio and Isernia, even if they are small towns, because they are provincial capitals. Probably less people know about Giugliano in Campania, Sesto San Giovanni, Martina Franca, Busto Arsizio, Nichelino, San Donŕ di Piave,... that are bigger but they aren't provincial capitals.
Actually, we were hearing about Tallahassee all the time during that 2000 Florida election mess. And there's a major university there - perhaps better known for its (American-) football team than anything else, but still. But you have a point.
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Old November 16th, 2013, 06:09 PM   #22927
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Both. The one which requires so hard making everything decent by its own rules and one which doesn't know what taking care about tidiness actually is. It's bad to punish that guy so hard for him silly neglect, but interesting for guy living where ALL rules of arranging common space are actually unexisting.
Well, you do have some regulations, I assume? What we call zoning? And things like "don't put out the trash earlier than 7 p.m. the night before it's picked up, rather than leaving it out all week..." (Which is an actual rule in Philadelphia, although I didn't know it until we all got a letter from the landlord about it.)
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Old November 16th, 2013, 06:57 PM   #22928
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Actually I meant the urban tidiness, the matter which that guy from Florida didn't manage well. Of course there are regulations in case of trash and, let I say, social conhabitation. They are good and being kept well by people. But Poland after the communist era, when everything was centrally planned not because of taking care about tidiness, but to deprive people of their influence for their habitats and show the ' force ' of country, let people decide in all case concerning their houses (of course making some common public space) and another their still property. Simply there are very vestigial rules about estate's look, which, adding people's poor taste and architectural ignorance, makes Poland very messy and actually nasty country (instead of historic places).
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Old November 16th, 2013, 07:10 PM   #22929
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Actually I meant the urban tidiness, the matter which that guy from Florida didn't manage well. Of course there are regulations in case of trash and, let I say, social conhabitation. They are good and being kept well by people. But Poland after the communist era, when everything was centrally planned not because of taking care about tidiness, but to deprive people of their influence for their habitats and show the ' force ' of country, let people decide in all case concerning their houses (of course making some common public space) and another their still property. Simply there are very vestigial rules about estate's look, which, adding people's poor taste and architectural ignorance, makes Poland very messy and actually nasty country (instead of historic places).
I've never been to Poland but I think that most of the ugly architecture of Eastern Europe belong to the commie times (huge grey commieblocks, destructions of historical buildings like in Bucharest or Kaliningrad). The current free market and civil liberties can produce better results, can't they?
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Old November 16th, 2013, 08:01 PM   #22930
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I'm sure you know that American states are not independent nations so they shouldn't be compared to Slovenia, etc.
But I am not sure that the majority of European people know what the capital city of Canada is. Although Canada is (by territory) the second largest nation of the world.
Mexico or Brazil is easy, but how many people in Europe know the capital of Chile? Chile has an area larger by France, and 17 million inhabitants, so it is not some almost unknown island republic of the Pacific ocean.
you are actually right. analogy would be to expect from Americans to know for instance all German Bundesrepublik names and their capitals (or if Germany is to small, there is even better analogy with China and its provinces)
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Old November 16th, 2013, 08:08 PM   #22931
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The problem in USA is that state capitals aren't the biggest\most known city in the state, like in Europe.
Not all Europe, actually: Milan vs. Rome, Munich/Frankfurt vs. Berlin...
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you are actually right. analogy would be to expect from Americans to know for instance all German Bundesrepublik names and their capitals (or if Germany is to small, there is even better analogy with China and its provinces)
LOL, there are multi-millions-people cities in China I never heard about.
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Old November 16th, 2013, 08:13 PM   #22933
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Not all Europe, actually: Milan vs. Rome, Munich/Frankfurt vs. Berlin...
Rome and Berlin are bigger (and most famous) than Milan, Munich and Frankfurt.
If Europe was like the USA, we could have, let's say, Regensburg and Perugia as capitals of Germany and Italy.
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You can't just look at the city inhabitants... Milan city boundaries are the size of my backyard.
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Old November 16th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #22935
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I've never been to Poland but I think that most of the ugly architecture of Eastern Europe belong to the commie times (huge grey commieblocks, destructions of historical buildings like in Bucharest or Kaliningrad). The current free market and civil liberties can produce better results, can't they?
You're partly right, but not at all.

Firstly, historical architecture in Poland wasn't being treated very well during the gone era, but it also wasn't being destroyed because of its ideology. I know about only few examples when old building were being replaced by new, brutal ones. Even there were some reconstructions of old buildings - like Royal Castle in Warsaw.

During first years of socialist era there was quite decent and very interesting style introduced to Polish architecture: socrealism. Main example - Nowa Huta estate, nowadays district of Cracow.

Then modernism was the valid style and many very good modern buildings were constructed in those times. Of course those very good are minority of all, but amount of them is huge. And now it's the time when your opinion begins the truth. Many modern buildings of those times were those sad commieblocks.

But, what might be suprising for you, those commieblocks in grey were more pleasant than they often are nowadays! It's some trend from ~10 years to paint commieblocks with colorful patterns, just for making some difference with communistic times. Example (hard, but real):



And nowadays in Poland many new houses are like from this thread.

I have some perplexities if current free market and civil liberties are better.
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You can't just look at the city inhabitants... Milan city boundaries are the size of my backyard.
the thing that world knows as Milano is actually a collection of bunches of small cities
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I am glad that some people from the UK begin to understand the Roma question. Ehm, at least partially.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24909979



Ok, there is some understanding of the problem.



Not that high understanding after all, talking about state harassment http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24721538.


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Like Paris.
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You're partly right, but not at all.

Firstly, historical architecture in Poland wasn't being treated very well during the gone era, but it also wasn't being destroyed because of its ideology. I know about only few examples when old building were being replaced by new, brutal ones. Even there were some reconstructions of old buildings - like Royal Castle in Warsaw.

During first years of socialist era there was quite decent and very interesting style introduced to Polish architecture: socrealism. Main example - Nowa Huta estate, nowadays district of Cracow.

Then modernism was the valid style and many very well modern buildings were constructed in those times. Of course those very well are minority of all, but amount of them is huge. And now it's the time when your opinion begins the truth. Many modern buildings of those times were those sad commieblocks.

But, what might be suprising for you, those commieblocks in grey were more pleasant than they often are nowadays! It's some trend from ~10 years to paint commieblocks with colorful patterns, just for making some difference with communistic times. Example (hard, but real):



And nowadays in Poland many new houses are like from this thread.

I have some perplexities if current free market and civil liberties are better.
What about this camouflage-painted house in Bratislava.
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is this phenomenon of St. Nick arriving three weeks early something new?
I don't understand the original Dutch article you linked. However in Hungary Santa Claus (or let's call him as you want as Santa Claus is very American, I think) comes in 6th December (memorial day of St. Nicholas of the 4th century), and Christmas eve it's little Jesus that brings gifts to the children (although recently American culture has more influence and red clothed Santa Claus belongs more and more to Christmas).
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