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Old December 7th, 2013, 03:42 PM   #23281
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Eh Belgrade its a puppy compared to this one Via dei Moreri, Trieste
One time i almost burn the clutch on this inferno road.
It sounds like Street of Death.

Bratislava is indeed hilly town so I do not have problems accelerating to steep hill, but I do not like when someone stops close to my rear bumper. The only thing I rather avoid is 'along' (do not know how to translate to english but 'along the road edge parking') parking in steep hill. Just do not like it. Now I drive sedan and still do not have the trunk dimensions in my hands or legs
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:09 PM   #23282
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When my mother needed a new car in, like, her late 60s, she decided it would be fun to have a manual. We all thought she was crazy. (Except when it actually caused problems because the other car - my Dad's - was in the shop so she had to do the driving. I think she also did all the driving on trips to Europe until it became possible to rent automatics.)

My summer studying in France - this was, um, longer ago then I care to admit (there was still an Iron Curtain and would be for a few more years) - someone referred to automatics as "the lazy American way of driving."

But I learned on automatics and am used to them. A friend (even longer ago than said summer in France) tried to teach me to drive his genuine Beetle but I couldn't deal with the third pedal. Fortunately, we were in a deserted parking lot at the time. That was the end of my manual-transmission-driving career. I just don't feel the need.
I think that everything has to do with driving schools: if someone starts with a method, he become accustomed to it and he's probably reluctant to swich to the other later in his life. For this reason, around 90% of cars sold here have still manual transmission (I guess figures are quite similar in the rest of Europe and probably inverted in the US).
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:15 PM   #23283
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After you get used to driving a car with manual gearbox you don't even have to think that you have to change gears. You just do it by instinct without thinking that you have to press the clutch -> slightly release the acceleration -> stick it out in neutral -> stick it in the next gear -> slowly remove the clutch -> accelerate.

It's harder in the beginning, but once you get used to it it's ok.

And if you change from manual to automatic, the only problem is to keep your left leg from not pressing the brake like it would be the clutch.
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:17 PM   #23284
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Well, manuals are more work, aren't they?

An inexperienced manual driver...I mean an experienced driver who's new to manuals...who got onto a busy Interstate might almost be considered a distracted driver. (Or do you not have to change gears when your speed is steady? This is the sort of thing I don't even know.... But if you have to stop suddenly, does that involve a gear change as well as braking? That's what I mean by "more work.")

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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:20 PM   #23285
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Or do you not have to change gears when your speed is steady. This is the sort of thing I don't even know....
When your speed is steady you don't have to change gears. For example if you drive on the motorway with 130 km/h (85 mph) you just stick it into 5th (or 6th if your car has) gear and just keep the wheel.

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But if you have to stop suddenly, does that involve a gear change as well as braking?
If you brake you have to change gears (or at least press the clutch). You can also use the engine brake during winter.
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:26 PM   #23286
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I would never buy a car with automatic gearbox, i don't know i just like to switch manually. BTW I'm driving a "Deutscher amerikaner" Ford Focus 1.6 ecoboost Titanium (150hp) with a 6 speed manual transmission, and it is a rocket.
It has really very precise gearbox.
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:29 PM   #23287
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I drive both, automatic and manual on regular basis. I also, from time to time, sit behind steering wheels of various lorries. Some of them are equipped with 6, 8 or 12 gear manuals or automatic. And, as an ("the"? you know me for god's sake, so I should use "the" instead of "an", shouldn't I? No? There is a rule not allowing that, isn't it? I am always confused with that) European, must admit that automatics are far more comfartable (oh, god, I recalled pretty awkward post known to Penn's Wood, when wrote this word) particulary in urban driving. They are also much better in lorries in most road's conditions and even in snow are not inferior to manuals as long as one know how to use it.
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:34 PM   #23288
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If I would ever buy a car with automatic gearbox I would buy one with double clutch system (like DSG gearboxes from VW group). I was once a passenger in a car with such a gearbox and I liked it. The transition between gears was very short and you could always use it in a semi-manual way: move the stick front or back to change the gear manually, but without the clutch.

Back in 2009 when I visited USA I drove 3 cars with automatic gearbox.
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:34 PM   #23289
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The cost of driving in Europe has long been much higher than in the U.S., so people are looking for ways to avoid some of those higher costs;

* manual cars were cheaper to buy
* manual cars were lighter (thereby consuming less fuel and cost less in road tax).
* manual cars used to consume less fuel than automatics

So buying a manual car was pretty much a no-brainer, automatic cars were only for the elite. However, that is changing, both in trucks and cars, automatic transmissions are now much more common, fuel economy has improved significantly and automatic gearboxes are finetuned more than in previous decades.

My boss once purchased a 1970s Chevy pickup truck with a 3-speed automatic gearbox. It consumes around 35L/100 km, which is outrageous by European standards, even in the 1980s European family cars had significantly better fuel economy than most American cars.
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:40 PM   #23290
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And, as an ("the"? you know me for god's sake, so I should use "the" instead of "an", shouldn't I? No? There is a rule not allowing that, isn't it? I am always confused with that) European
It's actually "as a European".

Anyway, I have to accelerate on a steep hill every time I get out of my garage and the door didn't open for some reason.
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:48 PM   #23291
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The cost of driving in Europe has long been much higher than in the U.S., so people are looking for ways to avoid some of those higher costs;

* manual cars were cheaper to buy
* manual cars were lighter (thereby consuming less fuel and cost less in road tax).
* manual cars used to consume less fuel than automatics

So buying a manual car was pretty much a no-brainer, automatic cars were only for the elite. However, that is changing, both in trucks and cars, automatic transmissions are now much more common, fuel economy has improved significantly and automatic gearboxes are finetuned more than in previous decades.

My boss once purchased a 1970s Chevy pickup truck with a 3-speed automatic gearbox. It consumes around 35L/100 km, which is outrageous by European standards, even in the 1980s European family cars had significantly better fuel economy than most American cars.
This is all true, however it was/is one underrated benefit of automatics if it comes to the general car's live. Automatics have always made engine capable of clock up more miles/kilometres with no major faults if maitained properly.
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:51 PM   #23292
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It's actually "as a European".

(..)
No way, it can't be...(I started crying now) My god, why??
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:51 PM   #23293
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Anyway, I have to accelerate on a steep hill every time I get out of my garage and the door didn't open for some reason.
Jeez

So you crashed into the garage door? tell us more
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:52 PM   #23294
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It's actually "as a European".
Exactly. "A" not "an" because of the consonant sound (the Y) at the beginning of the word, and not "the" because you're not the only European on this forum (God knows you're not.... ;-) )
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Old December 7th, 2013, 04:53 PM   #23295
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No way, it can't be...(I started crying now) My god, why??
Because you pronounce it like Jeuropean. No vowel as the first letter when pronouncing it, so 'a'.
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Oh, fair enough, I got it. I even learnt that but have forgotten

@ Penn's Woods.
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and not "the" because you're not the only European on this forum (God knows you're not.... ;-) )
Right, but I am only European, who wrote that post, aren't I? So I could not have been confused with any other European in this forum, therefore, I feel I could call myself the European, as long as every one knows that was me. (?)
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Old December 7th, 2013, 05:12 PM   #23297
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Nice try. But no.

:-P

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Right, but I am only European, who wrote that post, aren't I? So I could not have been confused with any other European in this forum, therefore, I feel I could call myself the European, as long as every one knows that was me. (?)
No, because you're known here as "piotr71", not as "the European" (there are too many Europeans here for you to be special). Penn's Woods might be known here also as "the American" though.
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Jeez

So you crashed into the garage door? tell us more
No, I have two doors. One is of the garage and the other one of the "property". I open both of them at once (with two different buttons though), so I don't have to wait twice (and on a steep hill). But at night I don't see whether the "property door/fence" is actually opening and sometimes it isn't, so I have to stop and press the button again.
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I ma full of admiration for all Slavs, actually almost all (Bulgarians do no not count), who can feel the difference between "a" and "the", not only knowing the rules.
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