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Old December 9th, 2013, 03:21 PM   #23341
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Old December 10th, 2013, 01:26 AM   #23342
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Croats want the referendum against cyrilic:

http://www.sme.sk/c/7033931/chorvati...-cyrilike.html

As for this, my girlfriend put this:

- If Croats do not want the Serbian sings in Cyrillic in mixed areas, why just do not put them in Latin script below Croatian ones?
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Old December 10th, 2013, 01:40 AM   #23343
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Croats want the referendum against cyrilic:

http://www.sme.sk/c/7033931/chorvati...-cyrilike.html

As for this, my girlfriend put this:

- If Croats do not want the Serbian sings in Cyrillic in mixed areas, why just do not put them in Latin script below Croatian ones?
What's the point in writing Serbian names in Latin script? Would they be the same of Croat ones?

Anyway, stupid nationalism
Unbelievable how many people in Europe (also in Western Europe) still view multiculturalism and foreign influence as the worst possible evil.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 03:24 AM   #23344
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Croats want the referendum against cyrilic:

http://www.sme.sk/c/7033931/chorvati...-cyrilike.html

As for this, my girlfriend put this:

- If Croats do not want the Serbian sings in Cyrillic in mixed areas, why just do not put them in Latin script below Croatian ones?
Wait, what?
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Old December 10th, 2013, 03:58 AM   #23345
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Old December 10th, 2013, 06:12 AM   #23346
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Cute. (I taught myself the Cyrillic alphabet when I was, like, eight. 'Cause I'm weird that way.)

But I didn't know it was even an issue.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 07:28 AM   #23347
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As for this, my girlfriend put this:

- If Croats do not want the Serbian sings in Cyrillic in mixed areas, why just do not put them in Latin script below Croatian ones?
That would A: Make way too much sense, and B: Would also be too easy.

Seriously though, she is right. It would be the best option, though it would mean modifying or replacing signage. There would be a cost to taxpayer in that regard.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 09:04 AM   #23348
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Anyway, stupid nationalism
Unbelievable how many people in Europe (also in Western Europe) still view multiculturalism and foreign influence as the worst possible evil.
Basically you're right. But this one is a special case: Croatia was not so long time ago in war with Serbia for this region in question. So one can understand why they're so sensitive about any nationalist Serbian claim.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 09:38 AM   #23349
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What's the point in writing Serbian names in Latin script? Would they be the same of Croat ones?

Anyway, stupid nationalism
Unbelievable how many people in Europe (also in Western Europe) still view multiculturalism and foreign influence as the worst possible evil.
That is it. Though she is definitely not an expert in foreign affairs, her question has just shown the paradox. Basically, Serbian language in Latin script is Croatian.

I have few friend from Serbia, Slovenia or Croatia and I am always curious over this issue: All of them have told me, they can very hardly recognize whether the particular person is Serb or Croat. Only some words like "What" (Čto? Što?) may give it away.

That is something I will never understand.

Despite my hatred towards nationalism, I must confess, I can hardly understand some irrational "reasons" for nationalism:

I can understand the Romanian fear of Hungarian supremacy and vice-versa
I can understand the Hugarian fear of Slovakian supremacy and vice-versa
I can understand the German fear of French supremacy and vice-versa.
I can understand the Catholics fear of Muslim supremacy and vice-versa.

Imagine the surroundings of Eiffel Tower in Paris speaking in German, imagine Muslims in Vatican, etc.

But I will never ever understand the Serbian fear over Croats and vice-versa.

Imagine Vukovar annexed by Serbia or Vojvodina annexed by Croatia. Will something change? Same people, same traditions, (almost 99% )same language.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 10:18 AM   #23350
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I can understand the Romanian fear of Hungarian supremacy and vice-versa
Living in Romania close to the Hungarian border we have a Hungarian minority here and I know how it is to live with them. I can say that for most of the people (both Romanian and Hungarian) there is absolutely no problem living together. The problem is for those 1% from both nationalities that are ultra-nationalistic.

PS: my best friend from the university where I study is a Hungarian. So what?

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Old December 10th, 2013, 11:31 AM   #23351
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Living in Romania close to the Hungarian border we have a Hungarian minority here and I know how it is to live with them. I can say that for most of the people (both Romanian and Hungarian) there is absolutely no problem living together. The problem is for those 1% from both nationalities that are ultra-nationalistic.

PS: my best friend from the university where I study is a Hungarian. So what?

And an image that best describes the situation here:
Politicians are not innocent too A secret talk between Slovak and Hungarian PM.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 12:05 PM   #23352
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Old December 10th, 2013, 12:08 PM   #23353
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Imagine Vukovar annexed by Serbia or Vojvodina annexed by Croatia. Will something change? Same people, same traditions, (almost 99% )same language.
Nationalism is not only about language. Try calling a Ticinese "Italian"
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Old December 10th, 2013, 12:13 PM   #23354
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As for this, my girlfriend put this:

- If Croats do not want the Serbian sings in Cyrillic in mixed areas, why just do not put them in Latin script below Croatian ones?
If they do so, Serbian minority in Croatia would be assimilated very soon. Cyrillic is part of Serbian tradition, and during history it was banned only during wars (1915-1918 when Austria-Hungary occupied Serbia, 1941-1945 in fascist Independent State of Croatia). Language similarity is advantage in turning Serbs into Croats. Last step would be coverting them from Orthodox to Roman Catholic.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 12:56 PM   #23355
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Living in Romania close to the Hungarian border we have a Hungarian minority here and I know how it is to live with them. I can say that for most of the people (both Romanian and Hungarian) there is absolutely no problem living together. The problem is for those 1% from both nationalities that are ultra-nationalistic.

PS: my best friend from the university where I study is a Hungarian. So what?

And an image that best describes the situation here:
Sadly there are/were some politicians on both sides who keep fueling these things. It is always easy to blame the minorities if something bad happens (and I'm talking not just about Hungarians or Romanians) ot to create a national sentiment based on irrational fears.

Last weekend I was in Novi Sad/Újvidék (to watch the WWHC) and it was good to see how nice the Serbs were towards us. Of course they have their far-right fools too and an encounter with them probably would have been less pleasant.

p.s. I really want to go back to Serbia - if we make it to the semi-finals.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 01:02 PM   #23356
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Hehe, and in 2 days is the clash against Romania
I know quite some people from Timisoara that are also attending the games.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 01:11 PM   #23357
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Hehe, and in 2 days is the clash against Romania
I know quite some people from Timisoara that are also attending the games.
Sadly I can't go to that match as I have some work to do in Budapest

Btw we watched the Germany-Australia and Romania-Tunisia games too on saturday and had no problems in the arena. Everybody was minding their own business.

p.s. Okay we had a few drinks with some Czech guys.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 01:21 PM   #23358
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Last year even the bronze game between Serbia and Hungary was absolute peaceful in Beograd.
Unfortunately now I live too far apart so all I can do is watching the games in TV and I'll miss the game ROU-HUN because of work :-/
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Zrenjanin is host city of the group C. We host the current world champions - Norway!
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Zrenjanin is host city of the group C. We host the current world champions - Norway!
And they will most likely keep the title - IMHO only Montenegro has a chance against them at the moment.
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