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Old December 12th, 2013, 09:52 PM   #23401
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Well I used the sign for a reason. But to be a bit sincere sometimes you have to be very accurate when you refer to a country:
This is indeed great!!! :-D Something for my students :-D
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Old December 12th, 2013, 09:55 PM   #23402
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I've never heard of the "British Islands," and if I did I'd think it meant the same thing as "British Isles."

And "Ireland" can, depending on context, refer to the nation-state, i.e. the Republic. In fact it's probably the usual way of referring to the nation-state, at least in North America
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Old December 12th, 2013, 10:07 PM   #23403
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Besides the fact that my house is on StreetView, I also can see myself in 2 places on Street View. One time I am a pedestrian, and the second time I also managed to take this pic:



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Old December 13th, 2013, 09:28 AM   #23404
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I've never heard of the "British Islands," and if I did I'd think it meant the same thing as "British Isles."

And "Ireland" can, depending on context, refer to the nation-state, i.e. the Republic. In fact it's probably the usual way of referring to the nation-state, at least in North America
Neither have I, it's the British Isles.

In Britain the RoI is commonly referred to as Ireland. Northern Ireland is thus called, except for some parts of Scotland where its known as Ulster. The whole island is known as the 'island of Ireland'.

And as we all get along like a house on fire (yeah, right!) on these islands.......
The Irish hate the English
The English hate the Scottish
The Scottish hate the Irish
And everyone hates the Welsh!
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Old December 13th, 2013, 02:38 PM   #23405
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Neither have I, it's the British Isles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Islands
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Old December 13th, 2013, 02:50 PM   #23406
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In Britain the RoI is commonly referred to as Ireland. Northern Ireland is thus called, except for some parts of Scotland where its known as Ulster. The whole island is known as the 'island of Ireland'.
Well I've been to the Emerald Isle last month and they were very serious about this. It was also interesting to see that they have some maps of the island without the border separating NI from the RoI.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 02:58 PM   #23407
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It may well be written into law but you'll not hear anyone except the Irish call it anything else but the British Isles. And even then the Irish don't call it the British Islands. They want to call them the Atlantic Islands or some such.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 03:07 PM   #23408
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Well I've been to the Emerald Isle last month and they were very serious about this. It was also interesting to see that they have some maps of the island without the border separating NI from the RoI.
There are some people who want us (Britain) to cede Norn Iron back to the RoI. It won't happen until the majority of Norn Iron want that. When that happens they will be more than welcome to it and all of the associated shit that comes with the 6 counties will be their problem. Don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen though.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 03:53 PM   #23409
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Verso, I'm a 49-year-old native speaker who writes and edits for a living. If I (and Fatfield) have never heard "British Islands" and take it when it comes up here as a synonym for "British Isles," I strongly suspect that there are other native speakers who have the same reaction to it, Wiki and legal usage notwithstanding. (That said, I do see the utility of something that covers the UK, Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man but not, say, Gibraltar or Bermuda. On the other hand, it's odd that "British Islands" excludes part of one of those islands, but that wouldn't have been the case in 1889 when it was apparently legislated. )


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It may well be written into law but you'll not hear anyone except the Irish call it anything else but the British Isles. And even then the Irish don't call it the British Islands. They want to call them the Atlantic Islands or some such.
I (half-)read a book about the Reformation ("The King's Reformation"; I don't remember the author's name), where the author, who I believe is British, has a little intro on terminology where he explains that he's going to talk of "the Atlantic Isles" so as to be respectful of the Irish, or some such.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 04:21 PM   #23410
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There are some people who want us (Britain) to cede Norn Iron back to the RoI. It won't happen until the majority of Norn Iron want that. When that happens they will be more than welcome to it and all of the associated shit that comes with the 6 counties will be their problem. Don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen though.
You know being a Central-Eastern European it's very hard for me to imagine these things you are talking about. Neighbouring countries disliking each other and demanding clays.

Why can't we all be like this?
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Old December 13th, 2013, 04:36 PM   #23411
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You know being a Central-Eastern European it's very hard for me to imagine these things you are talking about. Neighbouring countries disliking each other and demanding clays.
The irony of it all is the English, Irish, Scots & Welsh all get on with each other when in foreign climes.

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Old December 13th, 2013, 04:55 PM   #23412
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I believe this settles it:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1978/30

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“British Islands” means the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. [1889]
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British Isles, group of islands off the northwestern coast of Europe. The group consists of two main islands, Great Britain and Ireland, and numerous smaller islands and island groups, including the Hebrides, the Shetland Islands, the Orkney Islands, the Isles of Scilly, and the Isle of Man. Some also include the Channel Islands in this grouping. Although the term British Isles has a long history of common usage, it has become increasingly controversial, especially for some in Ireland who object to its connotation of political and cultural connections between Ireland and the United Kingdom.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 05:18 PM   #23413
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That settles it in UK legal usage. Not elsewhere.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #23414
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I have heard it, I think it appears on IoM passports.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 08:51 PM   #23415
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Are Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man considered part of the European Union? How about Gibraltar and non-European dependencies* like Bermuda?

By the way, I'm not sure how clear the distinction between independent and, um, other members of the Commonwealth is. You can probably find British/Commonwealth constitutional lawyers who'd argue that all authority in the Commonwealth derives from Westminster and could theoretically be revoked at any time.

I know you can get Canadian historians to argue about when Canada actually became independent, and there's a strong argument to be made for 1931.

*I'm guessing that's the politically correct way of saying colony these days.

Ahem. I realize that was inappropriately serious for a Friday afternoon/evening. I apologize.
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None of them are considered part of the EU except Gibraltar.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 09:39 PM   #23417
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Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France) pretends to be in the EU even though it isn't.
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Immigration and Visas - Altough part of the European Union, Saint-Pierre & Miquelon has its own Immigration procedures and regulations.
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They are EU citizens though.
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Old December 14th, 2013, 03:20 AM   #23418
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Old December 14th, 2013, 09:59 AM   #23419
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