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Old January 8th, 2014, 09:30 PM   #23641
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And try to do that with your boyfriend!
Or two girls kissing each other
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Old January 8th, 2014, 09:46 PM   #23642
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It's not much better in assholland. People really think Poland is a third world country where the far majority lives in deep poverty. And typically the most opinionated people have never been there.
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Old January 8th, 2014, 09:53 PM   #23643
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It's not much better in assholland. People really think Poland is a third world country where the far majority lives in deep poverty. And typically the most opinionated people have never been there.
I can't explain it, even some people in Slovakia think that there is no heat water in apartments in Ukraine East is somehow unpopular no matter where are you. Maybe we should blame media.
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Old January 8th, 2014, 10:02 PM   #23644
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This reminds me of a Swiss border guard who in 2010 had no idea that Estonia was in the EU and Schengen...
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Old January 8th, 2014, 10:13 PM   #23645
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i always tell other people that eastern europe is only poor by european standards. most of the planets other countries are way more poor than f.e. my native, Hungary. somehow i think its important to remember this.
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Old January 8th, 2014, 10:30 PM   #23646
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Part of my current East European purchase. I've bought more than 40 bottles of wine when visiting Poland and some funny speaking West Slavic nations South of Polish border

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From the other hand, my partner was involved in helping a chap, who was enslaved by gypsies in the UK. He was completely exhausted when she had met him and only person he wanted to talk to was a catholic priest. Gypsies kept him for more than two years, he slept on floor, worked 12 hours a day and obviously wasn't paid. Luckily, he escaped and with help of some good people (does not speak English) he informed police about what happened.
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Old January 8th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #23647
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I think the only wine bottle from Eastern Europe I ever saw was one of Romanian white wine.

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It's not much better in assholland. People really think Poland is a third world country where the far majority lives in deep poverty. And typically the most opinionated people have never been there.
Well, you don't know what I think is Greece right now .
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Old January 8th, 2014, 10:46 PM   #23648
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Until 1989 Eastern European countries here in the West were seen like it was another continent (like we currently see East Asia, Central Africa, South America). Despite the geographical and cultural (Mittle-European heritage) proximity, there were huge political and economical contrasts and there weren't many exchanges between the two blocks. People studied that there were Western European countries and Eastern European countries.
No wonder that many people think that Poland or Romania are closer to Nigeria or Pakistan rather than Italy or France...

I think that the anti-immigration sentiment in Western Europe is generated mostly by two reasons:
- Fear for crime: if an immigrant commit a crime, everybody know it, if 100 immigrants work, nobody know them.
- Demographical reasons: in those years of economical crisis and high unemployment, where there's no job for every citizen, a lot of immigration (especially unskilled, uneducated people with no money and house) don't help.
I hope there are few people who oppose immigration for merely "racial purity" issues, like they were still in the 1930s.

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This reminds me of a Swiss border guard who in 2010 had no idea that Estonia was in the EU and Schengen...
I wonder how many Europeans can locate Estonia on a blank map or tell what is its capital.
A guy I knew though that Estonia was somewhere between Croatia and Greece.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old January 8th, 2014, 10:49 PM   #23649
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In Italy foreigners make up 50% of the prison population, but less than 10% of the general population. A certain degree of "fear of the foreigners" seems to be motivated.
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Old January 8th, 2014, 11:15 PM   #23650
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Probably figures will be the same, if not worse, in France (the infamous banlieues).

It would be interesting to have statistical data about the relationship between wealth level and propensity to commit crimes for various nationalities\ethnic groups. We would know if crime level of certain ethnic groups are higher because they're poorer or they have less "legality culture".
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Old January 8th, 2014, 11:19 PM   #23651
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Part of my current East European purchase. I've bought more than 40 bottles of wine when visiting Poland and some funny speaking West Slavic nations South of Polish border
Egri Bikaver for red and Tokaji for white are my favourite Hungarian vines. Do you have a bottle of Egri Bikaver? On the other hand I have never tried any Bulgarian vine.
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Old January 8th, 2014, 11:33 PM   #23652
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The one next to Tokaji Aszu is Egri Bikaver. I also have 2 others not seen on the image.
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Old January 8th, 2014, 11:37 PM   #23653
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In Italy foreigners make up 50% of the prison population, but less than 10% of the general population. A certain degree of "fear of the foreigners" seems to be motivated.
Would be interesting to know the how many and from what country they are
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Old January 8th, 2014, 11:47 PM   #23654
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central / eastern Europeans are culturally much more closely related to western Europeans than earlier waves of immigrants from southwest Asia and North Africa in the 1960s and 1970s.

In the U.S. nobody really notices the difference between Americans from western European or Eastern European heritage. They are just Caucasians, whether their name is Kosciusko or Van Buren.
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Old January 8th, 2014, 11:57 PM   #23655
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Well, you don't know what I think is Greece right now .
Well, Greece is typical case how media manipulates and emphasize problems. Our media reported almost civil war in Greece in 2010: nothing was working, everyone was on strike, people are aggressive etc. I had booked apartment for summer holiday and been indeed afraid of situation in there.

But... everything was as usual. People were polite, each stranger became best friend soon, and people were indeed thankful. I have never doubt about critical economical problem Greece was in, but just want to tell you, that media made dumb lazy fat person of every Greek.

The same goes here over Americans. Americans are described here by media as stupid fat people. But any media can't explain, why American scientist were given Nobel prize but our greatest and wisest Slovak ones have not been yet.

Personally, I would be a little bit affraid of any Muslim from far east, yeah I would, because he is exotic to me and people are always afraid of strange unknown stuff (film genre of horror is basically based on it), but I see no reason why to be afraid of German, Italian, Serb or Briton.
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Old January 8th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #23656
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Well this is something I will have never understood. I would not like to insult anyone, but Western cities are full of people with different belief, different culture, with different, perhaps opposite opinions on women, criminality, family etc. and this is totally okay. Because it is under the prism of multiculturalism and political correctness.

But Eastern Europeans are seen like something to be afraid of, though our culture and basic being questions are rather similar if not the same.

Well, just try to let you girlfriend wear miniskirt and offshoulder top in Berlin, Milano, Sofia, Lviv and Islamabad and see the difference. Or just lay down with your girlfriend at beach and kiss her belly button. From cultural view, there are almost no differences among Great Britain, Spain, Greece, Romania, Poland etc. So why are they so sensitive over Eastern Europe?
"Classisism". We know that "class" played a major role in the past all over Europe, and those who see themselves on top, love to belittle and demean those they deem beneath. To them Eastern Europeans are "low class" brutes who they don't want moving in next door to them. People from more distant cultures are more accepted, but only "under a veil" not in reality. The vail of political correctness forces them to accept, but they do so with the mentality "they are primitives who need our help since they can't help themselves back home". Plus it feels good to demean others, it makes one feel better about themselves. I'm not saying it is right, "class" is just another form of racism, but it takes a lot of willpower and self awareness to correct this tendency. Some of us can do it, but for others, especially those who are emotionally lazy, hide behind rumors, innuendo, and justifications because they are just too lazy to apply a bit of willpower over themselves and do the right thing.

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Old January 9th, 2014, 12:05 AM   #23657
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Would be interesting to know the how many and from what country they are
I remembered wrong, in 2013 foreigners are 35.1%. But I'm pretty sure in 2008 they were more.

Foreign nationalities in Italian brigs:

18,6% Morocco,
16,1% Romania
12,2% Tunisia
12,2% Albania.

Female prisoners:
26,1% Romania
9,8% Nigeria
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Old January 9th, 2014, 12:06 AM   #23658
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In the U.S. nobody really notices the difference between Americans from western European or Eastern European heritage. They are just Caucasians, whether their name is Kosciusko or Van Buren.
Indeed. (Speaking as a -ski myself....)

My father could remember a time (the 40s) when employment ads for Wall Street jobs often read "WASP only." That's illegal now.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 12:07 AM   #23659
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I remembered wrong, in 2013 foreigners are 35.1%. But I'm pretty sure in 2008 they were more.

Foreign nationalities in Italian brigs:

18,6% Morocco,
16,1% Romania
12,2% Tunisia
12,2% Albania.

Female prisoners:
26,1% Romania
9,8% Nigeria
So do you see a Romanian and think "criminal"?
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Old January 9th, 2014, 12:11 AM   #23660
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So do you see a Romanian and think "criminal"?
I'm not sure I can recognize someone as Romanian just by looking at him (but when I see a gypsy I change my path)
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