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Old January 14th, 2014, 05:20 PM   #23741
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Sounds or tastes?
Looking at ingredients it should taste pretty good.
"Meat off-cuts and offal"?
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Old January 14th, 2014, 05:23 PM   #23742
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Given the old-fashioned Yugoslavian singers, I remember one woman with non-shaved legs on cover.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 05:29 PM   #23743
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Well, sorry for offtopic, but I have one small grammar issue.

Imagine these sentences:
1 The house is painted.
2 The house is being painted
3 The house is to be painted
4 The house will be painted.

1st means the house is already painted. 2nd means that some people are currently painting the house and it is not yet finished. Forth means further plans to paint the house.

But I don't understand the third one. I was taught that the main difference between "will" and "going to" is that the latter one has greater certainty. Is not it just "going to" in shorter way in third case? I mean is not "The house is to be painted" equal to "The house is going to be painted"?

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The house is painted: the house has paint on it and probably has as long as anyone can remember.
The house has been painted: the house has paint on it and that happened recently. (Say, the house was just built recently and painting was the last step....)
The house is being painted: it's happening right now. (Or at least, it's in progress - they started this morning, it's nighttime now, and they'll continue tomorrow.)
The house is to be painted: Current plans are that someone will paint it?

I'm not sure I see a difference between "is to be painted" and "will be painted," really; I'd probably say "will" rather than "is to," more naturally.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #23744
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I would look here for the general idea on the "going to" versus "is to": http://english.stackexchange.com/que...vs-is-going-to

In my eyes: "it is about to be" has bit less certainty than "is to be". "it is to be" sounds more definite, more like it has to be done. While "it is about to be" is more imminent.



When I would say those three (four) sentences:

The garbage is to be emptied.(!) => I would like someone to empty the garbage. In fact, I imply that someone has to do it or that someone forgot to do it.

It is about (the time) the garbage is emptied. => I would like someone to empty the garbage as well, but I might be willing doing it too. I am more concerned about that it is done before it is too late. I am sort of announcing it.

Is the garbage going to be emptied? => I can't even put the same question/demand intention in an indicative sentence. I am merely asking whether it would happen.

The garbage is going to be emptied. => I am just announcing that it will happen.
"The garbage needs to be emptied" works for "is to be" as well.

"It's about time..." - no "the"
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Old January 14th, 2014, 05:36 PM   #23745
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Does "is to be" have a certain "judgemental" tone or it's just that to my foreign ears? "The house is to be painted" like "the house needs to be painted"?
No.

"The house is to be painted" means that someone - perhaps the speaker, perhaps not - has decided it will happen. No notion of "need." (Which brings me back to my example of the new house. Perhaps a group of houses in a new development are ready to be painted, so it's been decided that that'll happen tomorrow or next week.")

"The house needs to be painted" - I'm looking at it and I see the paint peeling. I see that as a problem and painting it as a solution to the problem. I may not have the actual authority to make it happen; I may just be a passer-by observing the state of the place....
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Old January 14th, 2014, 05:37 PM   #23746
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Well this is what I like in English We are discussing over sentences and the native speaker would say "Gonna take the trash out"

In my eyes:
- The trash will be emptied = uncertain future. Someone, sometime will do it.
- The trash is going to be emptied = someone is preparing thrash to be emptied.
- The trash is about to be emptied = I am standing in front of thrash can.
- The trash is to be emptied = The sack of garbage is falling into thrash can.

But I am definitely not sure
"Trash" is garbage. (Or rubbish, but Americans don't say "rubbish.")
"Thrash" is a verb. Looks like this:
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Old January 14th, 2014, 05:38 PM   #23747
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...You can't say "I've just decided I'm going to paint my house tomorrow", just as it's silly to say "tomorrow will be Wednesday".
Yes, you can.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 05:44 PM   #23748
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Given the old-fashioned Yugoslavian singers, I remember one woman with non-shaved legs on cover.
I'm too young to remember but, according to my parents' tales, after the iron curtain fell, it was easy to spot Eastern European women on Italian beaches. They simply didn't shave themselves.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 06:23 PM   #23749
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Yes, you can.
In slang only? Or if you're very determined to do it?
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Old January 14th, 2014, 06:35 PM   #23750
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No, it's completely normal. And tomorrow will be Wednesday.
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Americans and their English.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 06:41 PM   #23752
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You mean, "most of the world's native speakers of English and their English." :-P
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Old January 14th, 2014, 07:06 PM   #23753
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The 21 most ridiculous Yugoslav album covers ever
http://justsomething.co/the-21-most-...m-covers-ever/


more pictures in the article...
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Old January 14th, 2014, 07:26 PM   #23754
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"It's about time..." - no "the"
I see there might be change in the meaning when adding "the" but I would not mind using it both ways . Perhaps it depends on the sentence melody and context as well, doesn't it?

btw. Google search gives around 200 million for both variants. Actually the "the" variant gets bit more but yeah, the "it is about" phrase is what take precedence to "about time" phrase when you use the "the" variant.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 07:38 PM   #23755
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"It's about time" is a set expression meaning "you should have done this already."
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I'm too young to remember but, according to my parents' tales, after the iron curtain fell, it was easy to spot Eastern European women on Italian beaches. They simply didn't shave themselves.
I know what are you talking about bro, my fiancee has currently very difficult finals

Finally, I have found it:
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Old January 14th, 2014, 07:57 PM   #23757
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"It's about time" is a set expression meaning "you should have done this already."
And "It's about ...." is also set expression.

My point was that by adding the the, you jump from the first one to the second one. But that it doesn't need to be understood like that, depending on context, intonation, etc.

I can imagine a mother (father, brother, sister, friend, whoever) shouting:

It's about the f...g time you get up and go to .....

I doubt that it would go without "the"

The other meaning would then be:

It's about the great time we spent ....
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I can imagine a mother (father, brother, sister, friend, whoever) shouting:

It's about the f...g time you get up and go to .....
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Nope. It's unidiomatic.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 08:30 PM   #23759
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I didn't want to post that, but as you wrote about a cover with a women with hairy legs, I thought it could be it
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Nope. It's unidiomatic.
Ok, I see, AFT, .
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