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Old January 25th, 2014, 02:02 PM   #23921
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It's also easy to understand: if you go below 30, you comply with both signs.
I learned otherwise, if there would be only 70 sign, one must drive at least half the speed of the limit.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 02:32 PM   #23922
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As I said in another thread, in Italy where two speed signs are conflicting, the lower one wins. It's also easy to understand: if you go below 30, you comply with both signs.
As I said on the Italian thread:

Common sense says that, if you temporary lower the speed limit on a road section, you must take down or cover the old speed limit sign.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 04:03 PM   #23923
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As I said on the Italian thread:

Common sense says that, if you temporary lower the speed limit on a road section, you must take down or cover the old speed limit sign.
In my country, if the section of roadwork is not ended, the local speed limit is cancelled at place where you passing by the last roadwork sign.

In this case, the only and last roadwork sign is the 30kph speed limit.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 08:00 PM   #23924
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what do those arrows below the signs in Italy mean?
It means'continues'
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Old January 25th, 2014, 08:00 PM   #23925
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I learned otherwise, if there would be only 70 sign, one must drive at least half the speed of the limit.
That's a different thing, I never mentioned minimum speed. I don't know this rule.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 08:16 PM   #23926
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That's a different thing, I never mentioned minimum speed. I don't know this rule.
There is no this rule in Italy.
We have this sign (virtually never used) to express the minimum speed allowed (and the end of this prescription):

It sometimes exists integrated in some motorway overhead panels:

When there's no sign, there's the art. 141 comma 6 of the highway code:
"The driver must no adopt a too slow speed that could endanger or block the traffic." It's just an arbitrary definition, with no numeric limits, like the safety distance.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 08:18 PM   #23927
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It means'continues'
but sometimes it is up, sometimes down, sometimes both
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Old January 25th, 2014, 08:22 PM   #23928
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In Romania is the same style:
- up means it begins from here (in Germany I saw it by left arrow - direction opposite of sidewalk)
- down means it ends here (in Germany I saw it by right arrow - direction towards of sidewalk)
- both means continuation of the sign, so both before and after the sign (in Germany you will see it with left and right arrow)



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Old January 25th, 2014, 08:44 PM   #23929
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we don't have it here so i never actually understood it.
but, what is the difference between sign with upper arrow and sign without any arrows?
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Old January 25th, 2014, 08:54 PM   #23930
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Afaik, sign without arrow should be valid until first intersection... but it may be that the sign with arrow is in fact the same...

From my experience, signs with arrows are used if they are also cancelled later (before an intersection).
At least this is how I saw it in Germany, either for stopping or parking forbidden, or parking from here to there.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 08:55 PM   #23931
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I was just looking at a (paper) map of Nova Gorica (with a part of Gorizia, of course). Has anyone heard of a river called OZNOSI flowing through Gorizia? Me neither. But then I turned the map around and it says - ISONZO!
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Old January 25th, 2014, 09:30 PM   #23932
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Isonzo river? That river your guys know as Soca? I believe Natisone river was once part of Isonzo until a landslide forced the later to turn back to Slovenia, thus capturing the Bontius river. This one, like the "river" (Reka), used to dissapear underground and feed into the Timavo, but the new river blocked that and turned back to Natisone river near the Adriatic. What a course change.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 09:36 PM   #23933
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^ Yes, Soča (no, not Sochi ). I didn't know about its course change.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 09:38 PM   #23934
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As I said in another thread, in Italy where two speed signs are conflicting, the lower one wins. It's also easy to understand: if you go below 30, you comply with both signs.
In other words, two signs, one saying 70 and the other 30, means the exact same thing as a single sign saying 30. Which means there's no point whatsoever to having the 70 there.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 09:49 PM   #23935
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we don't have it here so i never actually understood it.
but, what is the difference between sign with upper arrow and sign without any arrows?
Don't worry, we have it, but I don't know why the arrows are attached below neither.

Okay, that with arrow pointing down is supposed to be a cancellation. But that with double arrow. I see the only reasonable usage in case of T-intersection
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Don't worry, we have it, but I don't know why the arrows are attached below neither.

Okay, that with arrow pointing down is supposed to be a cancellation. But that with double arrow. I see the only reasonable usage in case of T-intersection
Yup. According to Italian laws, prescriptions imposed by signs decay afer the first intersection, so after every intersection the sign must be repeated, with a double arrow below ("continue").
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Old January 25th, 2014, 10:11 PM   #23937
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Yup. According to Italian laws, prescriptions imposed by signs decay afer the first intersection, so after every intersection the sign must be repeated, with a double arrow below ("continue").
Here in Slovakia, this is stated as a general rule. In specific cases, cancellation sign can be used. Arrows are used only with warning signs or with those, which validity is not determined by intersection. And also with no-parking or stopping signs.

e.g. curves, first left, next 4 km or common accident section - next 2 km.

But there are also lot of riddles like traffic sign determining the speed limit with arrows next 6 km and there are 12 intersections within
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In other words, two signs, one saying 70 and the other 30, means the exact same thing as a single sign saying 30. Which means there's no point whatsoever to having the 70 there.
70 is a fixed sign. 30 a temporary one. So you want to take down the fixed sign, spending money for no reason when it's perfectly clear what that means?
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Old January 25th, 2014, 10:42 PM   #23939
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In the Netherlands they usually turn the sign 90 degrees so it isn't visible to traffic. Or put a temporary sign right in front of it, or cover the sign up with some canvas.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #23940
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In the Netherlands they usually turn the sign 90 degrees so it isn't visible to traffic. Or put a temporary sign right in front of it, or cover the sign up with some canvas.
That's what I'm saying...
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