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Old February 20th, 2014, 02:18 PM   #24281
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Exactly. However, Austria was part of the German Empire (actually called as Holy Roman Empire) until the Napoleonic wars. So the current CZ-SK border, the former Austrian-Hungarian border was the historic border between Hungary and Germany (i.e. the Holy Roman Empire).
See maps HERE and HERE.
Seemingly, it is paradox that Czecho-Slovak border was defined even before the creation of Czechoslovakia. The city Uhersky Brod (literally Hungarian "gateway" or "ford") on Czecho-Slovak border is the proof. In contrast, border between two Ukraines is currently not defined. It might be worse than in Bosnia.
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Old February 20th, 2014, 02:26 PM   #24282
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The Czechoslovakia-Hungary border was not a great deal for many Hungarians living in after war Czechoslovakia.

I saw an interesting documentary with families from once the same village being separated. Relations between the 2 countries were not great, so those people couldn't meet. I think they talked over the fence from time to time. After both Hungary and Slovakia joined the EU, situation relaxed, people could even meet or hug on the border line, guards permitting that. After that they built an official border crossing there, and some years later, both countries joined Schengen, so now families can visit every time they want without being asked anything.

A happy ending after may years of sorrow
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Old February 20th, 2014, 02:49 PM   #24283
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The Czechoslovakia-Hungary border was not a great deal for many Hungarians living in after war Czechoslovakia.

I saw an interesting documentary with families from once the same village being separated. Relations between the 2 countries were not great, so those people couldn't meet. I think they talked over the fence from time to time. After both Hungary and Slovakia joined the EU, situation relaxed, people could even meet or hug on the border line, guards permitting that. After that they built an official border crossing there, and some years later, both countries joined Schengen, so now families can visit every time they want without being asked anything.

A happy ending after may years of sorrow
I am not sure about the socialist period, but after the fall of communism, it was not very hard to get to Hungary. I've got family there and it had never been problem to visit them. The Slovak-Hungarian border is anyway very young comparing with Czecho-Slovak one. But the ethnic line was nevertheless very clear (many ethnic maps from pre-WWI period proved that) unlike that between Ukrainians and Russians in Ukraine.
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Old February 20th, 2014, 02:50 PM   #24284
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The Czechoslovakia-Hungary border was not a great deal for many Hungarians living in after war Czechoslovakia.

I saw an interesting documentary with families from once the same village being separated. Relations between the 2 countries were not great, so those people couldn't meet. I think they talked over the fence from time to time. After both Hungary and Slovakia joined the EU, situation relaxed, people could even meet or hug on the border line, guards permitting that. After that they built an official border crossing there, and some years later, both countries joined Schengen, so now families can visit every time they want without being asked anything.

A happy ending after may years of sorrow
...and one of the reasons why I would like Romania and in the long run all European countries to join Schengen.
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Old February 20th, 2014, 02:54 PM   #24285
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I am not sure about the socialist period, but after the fall of communism, it was not very hard to get to Hungary. I've got family there and it had never been problem to visit them.
Around where if I'm not too indiscrete?
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Old February 20th, 2014, 04:35 PM   #24286
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No. Lvov (Polish Lwów, German Lemberg, Ukrainian Lviv) was never a part of Czechoslovakia. The town, just like major parts of the current Ukraine, belonged to Poland between both world wars.
See map HERE.
Sorry, I remembered that Czechoslovakia had to give some Eastern territories to the Soviet Union after WWII, but they were only the westernmost part of Ukraine, not Lvov.
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Old February 20th, 2014, 04:41 PM   #24287
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Around where if I'm not too indiscrete?
In the midnight hour, she cried Mór, Mór, Mór.
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Old February 20th, 2014, 04:44 PM   #24288
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In the midnight hour, she cried Mór, Mór, Mór.
Nice town, I've been there at the wine festival.
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Old February 20th, 2014, 07:25 PM   #24289
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The problem is that many areas on Russian (on its various iterations) domain didn't follow the more established patterns of fixed borders and/or client states that dominated Central Europe (France, UK, Spain etc. had been consolidated as nation states much earlier).

That yielded fluid mixed areas within what went to become Russia, in a way that you didn't have serious assimilation going on along defined and relatively stable borders.

To top that, Stalin really messed up with his mass relocation and deportation programs of the 1920s and 1930s.
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Old February 20th, 2014, 08:36 PM   #24290
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Today's banner is Teruel, a small city which is said not to exist, much like Bielefeld. It is rather obscure despite being the capital of a province due to its location in the middle of nowhere, and some years ago the inhabitants did a movement called "Teruel exists!". But this only served to make jokes that state "Teruel does not exist".
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Old February 20th, 2014, 10:06 PM   #24291
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Old February 20th, 2014, 11:20 PM   #24292
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I saw an interesting documentary with families from once the same village being separated. Relations between the 2 countries were not great, so those people couldn't meet. I think they talked over the fence from time to time. After both Hungary and Slovakia joined the EU, situation relaxed, people could even meet or hug on the border line, guards permitting that. After that they built an official border crossing there, and some years later, both countries joined Schengen, so now families can visit every time they want without being asked anything.

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Are you sure about this? I've heard for a divided villages between Slovakia and Ukraine (Velke Slemence-Mali Selmenci), not Slovakia and Hungary. Until few years ago there was barbed wire at the border and people had to go kilometres to visit their relatives on the other side (mostly Hungarians). Finally, border crossing was opened.

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Old February 21st, 2014, 01:11 AM   #24294
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No. Lvov (Polish Lwów, German Lemberg, Ukrainian Lviv) was never a part of Czechoslovakia. The town, just like major parts of the current Ukraine, belonged to Poland between both world wars.
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And thus, easy solution, give it back to PL and they can be in EU and the other side can stay in Putinstan
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Old February 21st, 2014, 01:46 PM   #24295
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And thus, easy solution, give it back to PL and they can be in EU and the other side can stay in Putinstan
And Germany will start claiming Eastern Prussia. Then Czechoslovakia Ruthenia. Then Hungary pre-1918 Hungarian Kingdom and Austria Austria-Hungary. Indians in US will create United Reservations of Indigenous people and then, Rome will kick our asses and re-establish Romanian Empire.
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I meant Roman Empire Nice mistake
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It hit me like this:
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