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Old March 4th, 2014, 07:44 PM   #24441
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Nečujam?
well, yes is it funny in Slovenian? sounds quite normal here
actually, Nečujam is the most known place at the island (but anyway, Šolta is probably the largest Adriatic island without some known inhabited places - i doubt that average Croat could name a single place there, while everyone knows for that island)
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Old March 4th, 2014, 08:10 PM   #24442
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Old March 4th, 2014, 09:56 PM   #24443
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I noticed two journalistic mistakes in the past days. In one they wrote that Crimea risks to became another Russian-dominated enclave, like Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Transnistria. None of them are actually enclaves.
In another they wrote that Russians are controlling highways connecting Crimea with the rest of Ukraine. They translated in Italian highway with autostrade even if those roads aren't motorways.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 10:57 PM   #24445
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well, yes is it funny in Slovenian? sounds quite normal here
actually, Nečujam is the most known place at the island (but anyway, Šolta is probably the largest Adriatic island without some known inhabited places - i doubt that average Croat could name a single place there, while everyone knows for that island)
It sounds like "ne čujem".
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Old March 5th, 2014, 02:34 AM   #24447
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That's very impressive, and so impressive it's actually hard to believe. But I wonder how much of the reduction, if any, is from reduced driving due to the economy. A better measure would be deaths per vehicle-kms driven (or passenger-kms), not population.
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That's very impressive, and so impressive it's actually hard to believe. But I wonder how much of the reduction, if any, is from reduced driving due to the economy. A better measure would be deaths per vehicle-kms driven (or passenger-kms), not population.
I think there are different factors behind it.
I'll give you an example from my country.
1) The police is much more strict and the penalties are many times higher than it was before. E.g. Exceeding the speed limit by 30 kph was fined by 30 € before and policemen often took it as a bribe (so that the fine did not ended up in country budget, but in officer's pocket) - now the fine is 140 € which is quite too much to me and I rather drive at speed limit than risking to be fined.

2) The general speed limit in inhabited areas were reduced from 60 kph to 50 kph.

3) Lot of over-exposed roads with 1+1 alignment without divider barrier were replaced by motorways, which are generally much safer.

4) The technology development: current cars have many assistant systems in basic equipment like ABS, EPS, A/C (can prevent old drivers from getting hear attack in the middle of summer), etc.

5) Winter tires became mandatory in my country in case of roads covered by ice or snow, which is pretty often in winter times.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 10:49 AM   #24449
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My feeling is that cars are much safer now than 10-15 years ago. Whether this can explain all this reduction or not, I don't know.

EDIT: My sources for Italy 2002 give 115, not 122...

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Old March 5th, 2014, 10:52 AM   #24450
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The U.S. would be at "100" i.e. the same level as the unsafest country in Europe; Lithuania.
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The U.S. would be at "100" i.e. the same level as the unsafest country in Europe; Lithuania.
I'd like to see the results for Russia Because you know, according to youtube videos...
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I agree with Natomasken about a much more useful indicator like deaths/km driven. I think Americans tend to drive more than Europeans.
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In Italy safety improved a lot after the introduction of the point system in 2003 and also with more capillar speed and sobriety controls.
In Eastern EU the improvement of the road network may be a reason. In every country also the renovation of the circulating fleet helped.
However, I would never have imagined a such radical improvement in just 10 years.
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In Italy safety improved a lot after the introduction of the point system in 2003 and also with more capillar speed and sobriety controls.
In Eastern EU the improvement of the road network may be a reason. In every country also the renovation of the circulating fleet helped.
However, I would never have imagined a such radical improvement in just 10 years.
Perhaps, the teleworking as well.
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In Italy safety improved a lot after the introduction of the point system in 2003 and also with more capillar speed and sobriety controls.
Quite frankly, I didn't notice an improvement in road law enforcement in the last 10 years in Italy...

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Perhaps, the teleworking as well.
I don't think it is so widespread to mark a sign in these calculations...
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Old March 5th, 2014, 03:18 PM   #24456
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I think of all those things you've mentioned the two key factors are safer cars and newly built motorways (especially in CEE or EE). If I would want to expand the list: mandatory winter tires IMO is the third thing.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 03:41 PM   #24457
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An important thing to consider is that over last 10 years most cars from the 1980s got taken off streets. Those were cars without ABS, airbags, assisted steering etc.

I prefer the indicator fatalities/billion vehicle-km driven.
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mandatory winter tires IMO is the third thing.
It would be interesting to compare deaths separately winter months / summer months.
I don't think mandatory winter tires are really important because it is an active feature (the driver has to go and buy them). In Italy in many roads winter tires are mandatory, but by no means everybody has them: I guess it's a minority.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 03:52 PM   #24459
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I prefer the indicator fatalities/billion vehicle-km driven.
Me too, but this data is less reliable. Population figures are usually readily available and generally undisputed, while the amount of vehicle km (or passenger km) is heavily dependent on methodology and not all countries have reliable statistics available on an annual basis.
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