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Old May 5th, 2014, 12:11 PM   #24901
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Old May 5th, 2014, 04:08 PM   #24902
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I made an extreme example, but my point is that the least number of countries have nuclear bombs, the better
Of course, a world without nuclear bombs would be perfect but that is never going to happen. The difference between my logic and your logic is that I think it's the total number of nuclear warheads that matters, not the number of countries that have them. I think it's hypocritical to think that it's OK for Israel to have nuclear weapons but not for the Baltic States, for example.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 04:11 PM   #24903
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Welcome to Sweden Gypsy-beggars !!

I wonder how they can afford to drive this VW Van all the way from Bulgaria. Must be very profitable to come here and beg.
Pretty much like digging for gold in Alaska.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 07:53 PM   #24904
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C'mon, there were at least 15 more adults, and at least 10 children in that van. Cost-sharing.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 08:34 PM   #24905
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Maybe they stop and beg in Romania, Hungary, Austria, Germany on their way to Sweden?
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Old May 5th, 2014, 08:45 PM   #24906
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Maybe they stop and beg in Romania, Hungary, Austria, Germany on their way to Sweden?
This a quite a new phenomenon in Sweden. The first balkan beggars arrived here about 1 year ago or so. I remember that I saw them already in 2009 in Paris and thought about if they were french locals or not. So they have probably been touring for a while in continental europe before the people there ran out of patience and got tired of them, so they decided to go further north to explore new claims.

Begging is not illegal yet here in Sweden. But now there is a discussion about if it will be an offense. Some politics also want to introduce visa requirements for tourists from Romania & Bulgaria.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 09:13 PM   #24907
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Some politics also want to introduce visa requirements for tourists from Romania & Bulgaria.
Well, that can never happen as long as we are all EU members. It's just stupid propaganda.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 10:20 PM   #24908
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Some politics also want to introduce visa requirements for tourists from Romania & Bulgaria.
That is indeed a populist solution.
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I never give beggars money. It's mostly just organised business nowadays, not a last resort to survive. We don't have that many gypsies here because more profitable places are quite close i.e. Helsinki and Stockholm but there are many local beggars as well.

I have nothing against good buskers, though. London Underground has an excellent system for that, IMO.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 10:53 PM   #24910
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Old May 5th, 2014, 11:30 PM   #24911
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I never give beggars money. It's mostly just organised business nowadays, not a last resort to survive. We don't have that many gypsies here because more profitable places are quite close i.e. Helsinki and Stockholm but there are many local beggars as well.
Of course it's a scam. Look at the photo of the gypsies standing at the VW van. They are well dressed and wear clean clothes. Before they sit down outside the stores they change their looks, put on dirty clothes and a face of despair.

When I saw these gypsies at Ica Maxi, Tornby Linköping they were standing outside McDonalds, they looked happy and were smiling. It was a group of at least 15 people of men and women. No children were present of course, they know that children who are caught begging will be handed over to the authorities.

I'm not totally against them unless they comitt crimes here, but it doesnt feel very pleasant to see them almost at every store, even in small villages. They could at least play the harmonica for some entertainment instead of just sitting there.

The EU means possibilities, it makes it easier for those who want to study or work abroad, but it also means disadvantages and I have to say that the beggars are one of those negative things. Exporting poverty to Sweden so we have to pay for their bustickets back to Romania

Also I think that it was to early for Romania and Bulgaria to join the EU. They should have had a higher GDP and gotten rid of the corruption and poverty before they became members.

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That is indeed a populist solution.
Yes, it's a suggestion by the swedish nationalist party.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 12:12 AM   #24912
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Excellent colour recording quality! Interesting view of pre-Ceausescu Romania.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 12:51 AM   #24913
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That's globalization for ya. You see the same fast food restaurants, the same banks, the same clothing stores all over the continent - and the same beggars too. I mean literally some beggars I've seen in e.g. Varna and Dublin looked like if they were from the same family.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 01:39 AM   #24914
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This a quite a new phenomenon in Sweden. The first balkan beggars arrived here about 1 year ago or so.
No, they turned up much earlier than that in the bigger cities. I first saw them in Uppsala maybe 4 years ago. Around 2010, I'd say. Their numbers have increased significantly in the last 2 years though.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 06:29 AM   #24915
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Also I think that it was to early for Romania and Bulgaria to join the EU. They should have had a higher GDP and gotten rid of the corruption and poverty before they became members.
The begging business has nothing to do with GDP, corruption and poverty. This is their job and fits nicely with the nomadic culture they still keep.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 09:26 AM   #24916
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Poland - S8 expressway

11 car pileup and 3 dead.

Involved: 2 Russian TIRs and 3 dead Czechs (out of family of 4). Polish family survived only because they exited their car seconds before a speeding Russian TIR slammed into them. It was too late for the Czechs. Out of family of 4 only one baby survived, mother and father and another baby died instantly.

Cause: Fog

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Today, my colleague told me, there are rumours, that two well-known people in our business died in car accident in Poland recently. Two children were on board as well.

I don't know them personally (only by name), but still hoping rumours remain rumours.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 10:09 AM   #24917
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I never give beggars money. It's mostly just organised business nowadays, not a last resort to survive.
Exactly. In Budapest, Hamburg, and, I don't now but probably in Stockholm and Tallin as well.
Begging in city centers is organized crime, nothing else.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 11:14 AM   #24918
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Old May 6th, 2014, 03:11 PM   #24919
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Exactly. In Budapest, Hamburg, and, I don't now but probably in Stockholm and Tallin as well.
Begging in city centers is organized crime, nothing else.
This is one principal I go by. Never EVER give money to beggars.

Only time I gave one euro to some old dude (didn't look like a beggar though) in Munich who was playing accordion in a very skilful manner and actually made the place more cheerful.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 07:24 PM   #24920
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Not all beggars are like that.



"Meet 98 year old Dobri Dobrev,
a man who lost his hearing in the
second world war. Every day he walks
10 kilometers from his village in his homemade
clothes and leather shoes to the city of Sofia,
where he spends the day begging for money.
Though a well known fixture around several
of the city’s churches, known for his prostrations
of thanks to all donors, it was only recently
discovered that he has donated every penny
he has collected — over 40,000 euros —
towards the restoration of decaying Bulgarian
monasteries and the utility bills of orphanages,
living instead off his monthly state pension of 80 euros."
http://alfwebdesigns.com/blog/have-y...-dobri-dobrev/
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