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Old May 15th, 2014, 05:10 PM   #25141
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As safe a topic as any. Although we're on the verge (over here) of caring about soccer again. Happens for a month or two every four years. :-)
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Old May 15th, 2014, 05:49 PM   #25142
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By the way, is there any definition in what cases you use gallons and when liters?
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I think officially both systems are accepted*, which is used is a question of what's more convenient, and of custom. But that usually comes down on the side of traditional measures.

The only context I can really think of off the top of my head in which the general public uses liters is in expressions like "two-liter bottle" (of soda). Back in the 70s, when we were supposed to be switching in the near future, the soft-drink manufacturers adjusted their machinery so that they could produce liter and two-liter (and so on) bottles instead of 32-ounce, 64-ounce, etc. So now we have bottles of soda marked in weird amounts like "33.8 ounces (1 liter)" and people call that a liter bottle.

Fuel for motor vehicles is sold in gallons. It's the gallon price you'll see on pumps, on gas-station signs....

*There's a government agency in Washington called the National Bureau of Standards where they keep very precisely measured examples... I'm visualizing a little metal cube that's an inch on each side, for example... and I'm pretty sure they have metric examples too.
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Old May 15th, 2014, 06:54 PM   #25144
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We use liters for car engine sizes. When I was a kid it was cubic inches.

There was a time a few decades past when there was serious talk of us converting to metric, but these days, you never hear of it. Too bad. We remain stuck with a random illogical system. Except for money! (back to that topic ) If I were in charge, I'd get rid of the penny and round everything up or down to the nearest 5c, like in Australia. It all evens out in the end. I'd also eliminate some coins and bills, making each a multiple of 4 or 5 times the one below, like 5c, 25c, $1 coins, then $1, $5, $20, $100 bills and so on.
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I dont think the US will stuck in this "illogical" system forever, you have way too many different cultures overthere, that use the metric system. They live their lives in meters and liters so to say. And I think this will cause the imperial system to fade away slowly. I have seen kilometers signs in California for example.
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Old May 15th, 2014, 07:04 PM   #25146
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We use liters for car engine sizes. When I was a kid it was cubic inches.

There was a time a few decades past when there was serious talk of us converting to metric, but these days, you never hear of it. Too bad. We remain stuck with a random illogical system. Except for money! (back to that topic ) If I were in charge, I'd get rid of the penny and round everything up or down to the nearest 5c, like in Australia. It all evens out in the end. I'd also eliminate some coins and bills, making each a multiple of 4 or 5 times the one below, like 5c, 25c, $1 coins, then $1, $5, $20, $100 bills and so on.
Canada has recently abolished the penny. If you pay for your $7.92 purchase with a card, it will go through for that exact amount, but if you pay with a $10 bill, you'll get $2.10 back. (If it's $7.93, you'll get $2.05 back.)

They abolished the dollar and two-dollar bills, replacing them with coins, a good 20 years ago. The problem with having the lowest-denomination bill being that large, in my experience, is your pockets get heavy fast.
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Old May 15th, 2014, 07:12 PM   #25147
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I dont think the US will stuck in this "illogical" system forever, you have way too many different cultures overthere, that use the metric system. They live their lives in meters and liters so to say. And I think this will cause the imperial system to fade away slowly. I have seen kilometers signs in California for example.
This "people are used to metric" argument has never made sense to me: I fail to see why adapting to a different measurement system is a bigger adjustment for them (or anyone else) than learning the language.

(And why should the immigrants' being used to metric matter more, here, in the domestic context, than the 300 million or so of us who grew up here and "live our lives in miles and inches"? Not that I'm anti-immigrant or anti-immigration at all. That would be hypocritical for any American of non-Native American ancestry. I also find that there are plenty of Canadians and Brits who grew up with miles and inches who are still using them unofficially.)

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Old May 15th, 2014, 07:17 PM   #25148
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Old May 15th, 2014, 08:10 PM   #25149
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Appearently this way of rounding money is called Swedish rounding.
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Changing the topic, what's up with the crazy weather in the Balkans?

It looks like Austria and Germany will get their share too:
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Old May 15th, 2014, 09:26 PM   #25151
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Old May 16th, 2014, 01:55 AM   #25152
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Yeah in Canada, we never learned inches system, but we use it all the time in my industry and colloquially

It's quite simple, it is often more simple than metric since things are not based on 10 but more convenient numbers. Example 12 inches per foot, so 1/2' is 6", 1/3' is 4", 1/4' is 3" and so on. 1/2 m is easy, 500 mm, but 1/3 m is 333.3333 mm sillyness. But now everyone has smartphone so why care?
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Old May 16th, 2014, 02:03 AM   #25153
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Yeah in Canada, we never learned inches system, but we use it all the time in my industry and colloquially

It's quite simple, it is often more simple than metric since things are not based on 10 but more convenient numbers. Example 12 inches per foot, so 1/2' is 6", 1/3' is 4", 1/4' is 3" and so on. 1/2 m is easy, 500 mm, but 1/3 m is 333.3333 mm sillyness. But now everyone has smartphone so why care?
It is not that easy or it is time to go sleep. But, I would never blame countries using imperial system. Perhaps people are not aware, but we daily us more non-logical systems: 60 secs = 1 min, 60 min = 1 hour, 24 hours = 1 day, 7 days = 1 week, (Houston, we've got a problem) 1 month = ? weeks?, 1 year = ? weeks?, 1 month = 28/29/30/31 days and that is it.

Moreover, it is quite common here in continental Europe to use e.g. inches to describe properties of technical devices (tables, computer screens, TV screens, etc.). Believe me or not, but I can rather lively imagine 24" TV than 105 cm TV in diagonal.
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indeed, what I mean is the numbers are more easily divisible than a number like 10. The best one is metric angle, 1 circle = 2 times PI, try to work with that one, compared to imperial 360 degrees...

it reminds me of the 3-1/2 inch floppy disk... measure it, it isn't exactly 3.50 in... but rather 90 mm
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Yeah in Canada, we never learned inches system, but we use it all the time in my industry and colloquially

It's quite simple, it is often more simple than metric since things are not based on 10 but more convenient numbers. Example 12 inches per foot, so 1/2' is 6", 1/3' is 4", 1/4' is 3" and so on. 1/2 m is easy, 500 mm, but 1/3 m is 333.3333 mm sillyness. But now everyone has smartphone so why care?
"liked," but not clear where the smartphone came from....
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I've noticed a few private signs around in Mid Wales on rural roads advertising things (one on the road from Rhayader to Llangurig marking the entrance to a farm, one on the road south of Aber advertising a village shop and another one somewhere else) as being in 300 metres or whatever, not sure if they would be in metric in rural England, but maybe they would be.
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Hey, Daniel, or whoever knows -

How much trouble is Jeremy Clarkson in?
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Believe me or not, but I can rather lively imagine 24" TV than 105 cm TV in diagonal.
In Hungary TV screens are measured in centimeters, smartphone screens in inches. In Germany the other way. When I moved to Germany and wanted to buy a TV and a smartphone I had to calculate from inch to cm and vice versa again and again :-)
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Hey, Daniel, or whoever knows -

How much trouble is Jeremy Clarkson in?
He isn't. Storm in a glass of water. If anything else the BBC is in trouble with its over the top political correct views. And we're used to a little controversy from good ol' Jeremy.
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In Romania computer or laptop displays are always referred in inches, while TVs are mostly in cm. Funny. Smartphones are in inches afaik. May people also don't say "inch", but "ţol" (from German Zoll).

Meanwhile in Germany, for the upcoming European elections:
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