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Old May 18th, 2014, 11:32 AM   #25221
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Receiving Moldovans as immigrants is one thing, but incorporating the territory completely different involving development of infrastructure, for example. And Romania has a long way to go in this respect on its current territory, let alone having the capacity of transforming the poorest country in Europe. Plus, Moldova really doesn't have much resources and it's landlocked. Romania would gain nothing.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 12:12 PM   #25222
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So what about annexation of former Democratic Republic of Germany to the other part in 1990? It was the same faint business, but no one says that it was unnecessary. And it was quite similar situation to the Moldovan.

I guess that if there's a land with the same (or almost the same) culture, divided mostly for political matters (as Moldova was a part of USSR and Romania - just in communist block) there's no serious reason to maintain that state. See that progress with economy and integration with other countries goes very weakly in Moldova. That country is at the best way to stay the poorest and become an European outsider. And another Russian zone. No one in EU needs this.

As for it, I guess that Moldova should become an another Romanian state, as Romania is stable and civilized country. Then should be modernized, using EU funding, for better and calmer life of everyone living in Europe.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 01:35 PM   #25223
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I think that Moldovans can get Romanian citizenship and passport, so actually many Moldovans work in the EU thanks to Romanian passport.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 01:52 PM   #25224
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So what about annexation of former Democratic Republic of Germany to the other part in 1990? It was the same faint business, but no one says that it was unnecessary. And it was quite similar situation to the Moldovan.

I guess that if there's a land with the same (or almost the same) culture, divided mostly for political matters (as Moldova was a part of USSR and Romania - just in communist block) there's no serious reason to maintain that state. See that progress with economy and integration with other countries goes very weakly in Moldova. That country is at the best way to stay the poorest and become an European outsider. And another Russian zone. No one in EU needs this.

As for it, I guess that Moldova should become an another Romanian state, as Romania is stable and civilized country. Then should be modernized, using EU funding, for better and calmer life of everyone living in Europe.
Then we can bring up a topic over importance of Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland or Liechtenstein accordingly. Btw. I don't refuse your opinion. I'm just trying to understand and explain the Romanian statement.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 03:10 PM   #25225
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There are significant differences between countries you've written between ones you mean as similar (I guess Germany, France and Netherlands). Maybe except Austria, which, indeed, was formerly seen as a part of German Reich, but in case of possibility of getting force like before WWI and WWII the idea was abandoned and nowadays, at era of EU, it would be useless. What's more, there are serious reasons to maintain the current state, historical and economical. Excluding Belgium, all of written countries are very stable, but perspectives of some partitions of Belgium are much smaller than in case of Moldova or Ukraine.

And except Moldovan poverty, instability and cultural relationship with Romania, it's worth mention that more Moldovans live in Romania than in Moldova!
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Old May 18th, 2014, 03:14 PM   #25226
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There are significant differences between countries you've written between ones you mean as similar (I guess Germany, France and Netherlands). Maybe except Austria, which, indeed, was formerly seen as a part of German Reich, but in case of possibility of getting force like before WWI and WWII the idea was abandoned and nowadays, at era of EU, it would be useless. What's more, there are serious reasons to maintain the current state, historical and economical. Excluding Belgium, all of written countries are very stable, but perspectives of some partitions of Belgium are much smaller than in case of Moldova or Ukraine.

And except Moldovan poverty, instability and cultural relationship with Romania, it's worth mention that more Moldovans live in Romania than in Moldova!
Many of USSR republics were made and treated as kind of statistical units, therefore, lot of consequences occurred after the dissolution of USSR.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 03:21 PM   #25227
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It all depends on consent. If both Moldova and Romania decide to join and vote for it then fine ( it may even happen sooner rather than later and Transnistria may have very little say in it at the end of the day) ...now that Putin seems to have gone megalomanic. Putin cannot have it both ways can he?!?!

Belgium split from Holland by consent..and is effectively split in two nowadays.

Slovakia split from the Czechs by consent.

Scotland votes later this year, too close to call that but I think a simple majority in favour is not enough and it may be 50.1%-49.9% on the day. At 55-45 things are more clearcut.

Kosovo will probably join Albania after its final status is determined in 10 years or so but some of Kosovo may equally join Serbia or Macedonia ( again by mutual consent)

The Basques are split across two states and only recently ( since 1980) achieved cultural recognition from either of the French and Spanish. The Catalans are not as split up, being mainly in Spain, but the possibility always remains that they may do a Slovakia on it and that the rest of Spain will not be inclined to hold on to them against their wishes.

I would not see borders as immutable in Europe, only that using military force to change them or to deliberately displace populations in cleansing operations is not acceptable behaviour.

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Old May 18th, 2014, 07:36 PM   #25228
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Old May 18th, 2014, 09:21 PM   #25229
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An inch is really the smallest unit used. Everything is in a fraction (not 10ths) of an inch. My metric wrenches are 6mm, 7mm, 8mm, 9mm, 10mm, etc. Perfectly easy and logical. My imperial wrenches are 1/4", 5/16", 3/8", 7/16", 1/2", etc. And my drill bits are 1/16", 5/64", 3/32", 7/64", etc.! It's just ridiculously harder to use. Especially when measuring something with a ruler that will typically have markings down to 1/16". Is that mark 3/8ths or 7/16ths? It's hard to easily tell.
Sometimes people use fractional inch to describe things to me, like 3.4375 inch instead of 3-7/16, it annoys me 7/16 and 3/8 are easy to tell apart, 7/16 is the one closer to half

We use a lot the unit "thou" for like a machine shop (engineering works), it's 1/1000 of an inch. Curiously though we are officially metric, most machinists think in "thou" and convert ISO tolerances back to thou...

Metric fasteners have taken over. I have both sets of tools, my inch ones mostly shiny, my metric all dirty and nasty because actually used. Even American cars made in the USA are basically 100 % metric fasteners since the late 1980's. (but there was a while (say 1977 - 2000 ish) when some parts were metric, some inch, that was ******* annoying)

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Belgium split from Holland by consent...
LOL, by consent after they had been killing each other for a year
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Old May 18th, 2014, 09:52 PM   #25230
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Back from Metrology group meeting in Paris. Best quote from the British representative: "Do you know about the F word? Yes, that one: Fahrenheit"
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Old May 18th, 2014, 09:57 PM   #25231
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[yawn]

Seriously, can we PLEASE try to go 24 hours on this forum without discussing the metric system and how bizarre/stupid/"learning-disabled"* countries that don't use it are? Sheesh. Get a more interesting obsession.

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PS: Nine possible values to every five, Spinoza....
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Old May 18th, 2014, 10:44 PM   #25232
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Happy Victoria Day (or Jour des patriotes, if you prefer), Canadians!
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Old May 18th, 2014, 10:50 PM   #25233
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Okay, here's a suggestion for a game: say something positive about the previous poster's country. Who wants to start?
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Old May 18th, 2014, 11:06 PM   #25234
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Okay, here's a suggestion for a game: say something positive about the previous poster's country. Who wants to start?
The Ford Mustang.



(Interesting, I was wondering which country I would be classified as being from)
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Old May 18th, 2014, 11:15 PM   #25235
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Madeira Airport's runway is really cool

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Old May 18th, 2014, 11:18 PM   #25236
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Romania's come a long way since 1989.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 11:46 PM   #25238
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Romania's come a long way since 1989.
What does it have to do with a Portuguese airport?
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Old May 18th, 2014, 11:55 PM   #25239
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Old May 19th, 2014, 12:00 AM   #25240
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[yawn]

Seriously, can we PLEASE try to go 24 hours on this forum without discussing the metric system and how bizarre/stupid/"learning-disabled"* countries that don't use it are? Sheesh. Get a more interesting obsession.

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PS: Nine possible values to every five, Spinoza....
Mine was just a joke. You should laugh more. And 9 values instead of five dont make yoir system more accurate, that law zero od metrology (otherwise we could simply increase our measurement precision by arbitrarily choose a smaller unit, which is a physics nonsense...)!

Ps keep in mind that the joke was made by a Brit, who used F until basically yesterday...
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