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Old June 20th, 2014, 04:07 PM   #25901
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The country of Montenegro.
That comes from Venetian language "black mountain". In Italian it would be "Montenero".
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those racism things are really going over all limits.
in 1990es they teached us at english lessons that negro was a proper word. what are black men called if negro insults them? and why they call each other with insulting terms, and when white men (or asians, however they are called, i am afraid not to insult them) call them the same, it is rasicm?
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Old June 20th, 2014, 05:25 PM   #25903
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Two cute (well, I found them cute) articles from the New York Times on (1) Americans' sudden enthusiasm for soccer/football (actually, it happens every four years and lasts a month...or until elimination) and (2) what to call soccer/football:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/op...f=opinion&_r=0

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/sp...pgtype=article
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Old June 20th, 2014, 05:27 PM   #25904
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those racism things are really going over all limits.
in 1990es they teached us at english lessons that negro was a proper word. what are black men called if negro insults them? and why they call each other with insulting terms, and when white men (or asians, however they are called, i am afraid not to insult them) call them the same, it is rasicm?
This accurately sums it up



Btw. I've never felt any kind of pride for being white. And never considered black people stupid. Those who live here (it is pretty rare) are very well educated. And the same goes for Asians. And my girl turns me on more if she is tanned in summer than snow white in winter.
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Old June 20th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #25905
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Soccer is apparently the third most played sport in the U.S.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_..._States#Soccer

But U.S. soccer has more competition from other sports than in Europe, where it is by far the most popular sport.
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those racism things are really going over all limits.
in 1990es they teached us at english lessons that negro was a proper word. what are black men called if negro insults them? and why they call each other with insulting terms, and when white men (or asians, however they are called, i am afraid not to insult them) call them the same, it is rasicm?
That's how language works: "gay" used to mean happy; now it doesn't. (Well, it could, but...) Words come with nuances and connotations, not just their basic meanings. Since even basic meanings aren't "intrinsic" to a particular combination of letters or sounds (if they were, we'd all speak the same language all over the planet and throughout history) - they're a function of what meaning a given population gives to that combination. I quoted the Mikado the other day...in the same song there's a use of 'the N word" that was acceptable in England in the 1880s when it was written but that modern producers have to change. (Where it goes too far, in my opinion, is when Schools ban Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry Finn because of the now-unacceptable language rather than retaining them for their overall merit and taking the opportunity to explain this.)

And the phenomenon of members of a group getting to use words to each other that outsiders can't isn't limited to American blacks.
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Soccer is apparently the third most played sport in the U.S.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_..._States#Soccer

But U.S. soccer has more competition from other sports than in Europe, where it is by far the most popular sport.
It has yet to catch on, really, as a professional-level spectator sport. There was the NASL in the 70s (I've personally seen Pele and Beckenbauer play for the New York Cosmos), but it disappeared. Now there's MLS.
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And the phenomenon of members of a group getting to use words to each other that outsiders can't isn't limited to American blacks.
Well, it is fully acceptable to hit your friend on the back and call him a ****** in the pub. But try this with your boss on meeting
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Negro and Negri are very common surnames in Italy. I didn't know the candies were called after the Italian surname!

And I simply love them I've recently tasted the blue version too, but they're not as good as the black ones.

Btw, what about the countries Niger and Nigeria? The word niger, nigra, nigrum is Latin for black
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Old June 20th, 2014, 06:06 PM   #25910
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I always wonder about the surnames, since their introduction had to be influenced by some reasonable traits of the ancestors.

Btw. "Black" and its translations are perhaps ones of the most surnames in every country. But why could someone be black according to the traits? "Whites" are not that common.
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Because black - or I guess dark-complexioned - people would have stood out more in most of Europe? Just a guess. Calling someone "John the Black" would have been as specific in a small village as "John the Tailor" or "John the Candle-maker." Calling someone "John the White" would be pointless if there were a bunch of people that could mean.
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I always wonder about the surnames, since their introduction had to be influenced by some reasonable traits of the ancestors.

Btw. "Black" and its translations are perhaps ones of the most surnames in every country. But why could someone be black according to the traits? "Whites" are not that common.
"Bianchi" or "Bianco" in Italy is a very common surname, as is "Blanc" in French or "Blanco" in Spain, maybe even more.
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I always wonder about the surnames, since their introduction had to be influenced by some reasonable traits of the ancestors.

Btw. "Black" and its translations are perhaps ones of the most surnames in every country. But why could someone be black according to the traits? "Whites" are not that common.
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"Bianchi" or "Bianco" in Italy is a very common surname, as is "Blanc" in French or "Blanco" in Spain, maybe even more.
Sure, even though the most common surname in Italy is Rossi (meaning "reds")
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Summer Solstice

Midsomer Eve. Sunset at 23:03. Sunrise at 03:42.
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Midsomer Eve. Sunset at 23:03. Sunrise at 03:42.
Impressive.
One of my coworkers is in Svalbard now with midnight sun and all.
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I was in Norway last week, where the sun does set for about 4 - 4.5 hours, but it doesn't get really dark at night. I could read a book at 2 a.m. without a light.
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Midsomer Eve. Sunset at 23:03. Sunrise at 03:42.
I'm jealous. Latest we get at this latitude is about 8:33 p.m. (On the other hand, the earliest sunsets we get in December are at about 4:33.)
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I was in Norway last week, where the sun does set for about 4 - 4.5 hours, but it doesn't get really dark at night. I could read a book at 2 a.m. without a light.
On the night of the European elections, the BBC had someone talking from Aberdeen, at about 11:15 British time and the sky outside the studio behind him (assuming that was real and live) was still fairly light.
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That will be about right but bare in mind that the cameras will make it look lighter.

Todays sunset where I live is 21:48 but the twilight will last until about 23:00.
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Impressive.
One of my coworkers is in Svalbard now with midnight sun and all.
He just wrote an email, stating that they're not allowed to leave their accomodation in Ny ┼lesund without an armed escort, due to bears...
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