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Old July 13th, 2014, 02:26 PM   #26561
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What is your opinion about this situation? It is very common in Hungary.
Motorway, 3 lanes in your direction. Speed limit is 130 km/h. You drive exactly at that speed in the right (slow) lane. The right lane is empty as far as you can see.
Some cars drive 100-110 km/h in the middle lane. You drive on in the right lane 130 km/h, without changing lane or your speed.
It is legal? You overtake them in the right side which is basically strictly forbidden.
Overtaking on the inside is called undertaking and is indeed illegal in most countries. But so is lane hogging, which is unnecessary and lazy. I do a bit of undertaking myself sometimes because 1: I can't be bothered to switch two lanes, and 2: I'm trying to make a point that they should keep to the right unless overtaking at all times.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 02:28 PM   #26562
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What is your opinion about this situation? It is very common in Hungary.
Motorway, 3 lanes in your direction. Speed limit is 130 km/h. You drive exactly at that speed in the right (slow) lane. The right lane is empty as far as you can see.
Some cars drive 100-110 km/h in the middle lane. You drive on in the right lane 130 km/h, without changing lane or your speed.
It is legal? You overtake them in the right side which is basically strictly forbidden.
Yeah, the same situation is in Slovakia on D1 motorway between Bratislava and Trnava. There have been an interview with police chief on this issue.

He has told following: Overtaking in the right side is forbidden. But the crucial question is, whether straight drive without changing lanes is defined as overtaking.

The current situation is that police does not fine drivers who drive straight in right lane and overtake middle lane hoggers. Sometimes, when they have mood, they fine middle lane hoggers. Unfortunately it is pretty much rare.

However, I find it dangerous and overtake in the right very carefully. I really hate (HATE!!!) those middle lane hoggers. They makes dangerous situations and negate the nature of motorways. I think, they should be expelled from there.

Personally, when I'm in bad mood, I tailgate them sometimes and flash my high beams (do so called stroboscope)

If they are afraid of driving at motorways, they should not be there!
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Old July 13th, 2014, 03:59 PM   #26563
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Tranvia Trieste-Opicina/Openski tramvaj / after two years in service again!

In Triestine dialect:
El tram de Opcina

E anche el tran de Opcina xe nato disgrazià
venindo zo de Scorcola una casa ga ribaltà
bona de Dio che iera giorno de lavor
e dentro no ghe iera che 'l povero frenador


In Slovenian:

Openski tramvaj že ob rojstvu ni imel sreče.
Ko se je spuščal po Škorklji, se je zaletel v hišo.
Hvala Bogu, da je bil delavnik in
v tramvaju ni bilo nikogar razen ubogega zavirača.


English translation:
And also Opicina tram was born unfortunate,
going down from Scorcola (an uphill Trieste suburb, ndr), it torn down a house,
thanks God it was a work day,
and inside there was only the poor conductor.

This tram was inaugurated in 1902 and, the first day of operation, derailled demolishing a house, hence the origin of that popular song in Trieste's dialect.
Currently it's the oldest tram in operation in the world.

Map of Trieste tram network in the early 1930s.
Most lines, except the "Tram de Opcina" marked in blue where shut down between 1935 and 1970 when they though it was better to replace them with buses. I think it was a great loss for the city.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 04:00 PM   #26564
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in Slovenia it is legal to overtake on the right if you are not exactly "overtaking". there must be two rows (3 or more cars) of cars driving at different constant speed on two paralel lanes, if the right one is faster than the left one, it's technically not overtaking and it is legal to be faster. I believe the same goes for Italy.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 04:09 PM   #26565
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Currently it's the oldest tram in operation in the world.
And one more interesting fact...this tram is actually amphibian, because on the steepest part of the course (uphill Scorcola/Škorklja) "transform itself" into a funicular
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Old July 13th, 2014, 04:11 PM   #26566
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in Slovenia it is legal to overtake on the right if you are not exactly "overtaking". there must be two rows (3 or more cars) of cars driving at different constant speed on two paralel lanes, if the right one is faster than the left one, it's technically not overtaking and it is legal to be faster. I believe the same goes for Italy.
Yes, it is. It's not overtaking if you don't change lane. If I'm driving 130 on the right lane and one is driving 110 on the left lane, it's his\her fault.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 04:24 PM   #26567
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And one more interesting fact...this tram is actually amphibian, because on the steepest part of the course (uphill Scorcola/Škorklja) "transform itself" into a funicular
Trieste could now have a network of historical trams like Lisbona or San Francisco, with high touristic interest, if the local administration didn't care only about spending less money.
Back in the old days Trieste was also an important railway node, with connections with Italy and Central-Eastern Europe. Now trains run only towards Italy. The Opicina-Ljubljana service was recently restored by Slovenske Zeleznice, however Opicina railway station isn't reacheched by any Italian train since the discontinuation of the Venice-Ljubljana-Zagreb-Budapest euronight in 2011. The Italian part of the "Transalpina railway", between Campo Marzio and Opicina was closed in 1959 and it's only used occasionally by freight trains. Also the line to Istria was shut down after WWII and it's now a cycle route between Trieste and Kozina.
Now if one wants to travel by train between Lisbona and Teheran the only gap it's probably between Trieste railway station and Opicina.
Closing down local railway lines and urban streetcar systems in favour of buses had always been popular in Italy.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 04:32 PM   #26568
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What is your opinion about this situation? It is very common in Hungary.
Motorway, 3 lanes in your direction. Speed limit is 130 km/h. You drive exactly at that speed in the right (slow) lane. The right lane is empty as far as you can see.
Some cars drive 100-110 km/h in the middle lane. You drive on in the right lane 130 km/h, without changing lane or your speed.
It is legal? You overtake them in the right side which is basically strictly forbidden.
In Serbia that is forbidden.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 04:32 PM   #26569
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Yes, it is. It's not overtaking if you don't change lane. If I'm driving 130 on the right lane and one is driving 110 on the left lane, it's his\her fault.
Yes, but you still have to be very careful.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 05:55 PM   #26570
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What is your opinion about this situation? It is very common in Hungary.
Motorway, 3 lanes in your direction. Speed limit is 130 km/h. You drive exactly at that speed in the right (slow) lane. The right lane is empty as far as you can see.
Some cars drive 100-110 km/h in the middle lane. You drive on in the right lane 130 km/h, without changing lane or your speed.
It is legal? You overtake them in the right side which is basically strictly forbidden.
You can do that in Italy.
Source: http://www.poliziadistato.it/articol...e_o_quella_di/ (Italian only)
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Old July 13th, 2014, 08:32 PM   #26571
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This is going nowhere, locked for moderation purposes.

Reopened, be nice.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 08:46 PM   #26572
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So.... The big game starts in a little over an hour. Who will be watching?
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Old July 13th, 2014, 08:50 PM   #26573
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Not I.
It's nice out. (In fact, what am I doing on here now...?)
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Old July 13th, 2014, 08:52 PM   #26574
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Relaxing. LOL
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Old July 13th, 2014, 08:55 PM   #26575
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Being lazy. Checking news and e-mail. Being indecisive about what to have for lunch. Putting off errands and laundry. And the air conditioning feels good.

But I think I'll do that lunch now.

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Cool. I already had dinner, then shower and I'm already in my nighties. Watching the game from my bed, with tea and biscuits.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 09:08 PM   #26577
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Merkel vs. Argentina. Whom should I support? Hmmmm.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 09:11 PM   #26578
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Um ok... I think I'll make myself scarce from this thread for a bit and let it run its natural cause without me.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #26579
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I'll watch it.
And it will be the second world cup final for me today: afternoon I watched handball U20 WC final (South Korea won it).
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Old July 13th, 2014, 11:33 PM   #26580
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I'm personally not interested in football at all, but my customer (a newspaper printing and delivery company) is. Due to time differences the match takes place in a time in which newspapers are normally printed in Finland, and as the readers may want to read about the match in the morning, this might delay my work tonight...
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