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Old September 8th, 2014, 10:55 PM   #27461
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Orcičres-Merlette ski resort in France. Apparently they have a lot of Hungarian bus drivers there.


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Old September 8th, 2014, 10:57 PM   #27462
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Kind of an interesting way to write accentuated letters
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Old September 8th, 2014, 11:06 PM   #27463
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Sometimes some nations go to specific places, like Russians to Rogaška Slatina in Slovenia. Once I saw plenty of Hungarian cars in Čezsoča. (they probably pronounced it [čežoča] )
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Old September 8th, 2014, 11:20 PM   #27464
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Lol, I've just been given an e-mail invitation to participate in a conference held in Kharkiv. I would rather refuse to take a part, but it is kind of funny to see scientists completely isolated from reality :-) On the other hand, I like it. According to the invitations there will be lot of scientists from all over the world (Americans, Dutch, Germans, Poles, Ukrainians and Russians) together. And this is nice.

Given the fact it is few kilometres from the battle line, I am just wondering there is no mention about the guests safety at all.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 11:21 PM   #27465
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Kharkiv is perfectly safe.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #27466
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Kharkiv is more like 250 km from the battle zone.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 11:34 PM   #27467
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Kharkiv is more like 250 km from the battle zone.
Close enough for a wandering rocket launched by crazy paramilitary lunatics.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 11:42 PM   #27468
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So is Bratislava in case of an ICBM
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Old September 9th, 2014, 01:21 AM   #27469
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Meanwhile in Polandhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=sANTC7oaaJg
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Old September 9th, 2014, 11:49 AM   #27470
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Close enough for a wandering rocket launched by crazy paramilitary lunatics.
In time of war in Bosnia people (including me) took summer vacation on Adriatic coast, even in places that were 100 km or less from the front lines.
Also your fellow Slovak.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 09:08 PM   #27471
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So maybe Putin will help liberate Scotland now?

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/...ide-nyt-region
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Old September 10th, 2014, 01:48 AM   #27472
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Kharkiv is more like 250 km from the battle zone.
And less than 20 kms from the Russian border.
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Old September 10th, 2014, 04:01 PM   #27473
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[...]The Department of State warns U.S. citizens to defer all travel to the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk.[...]The Department of State also warns U.S. citizens to defer all travel to the Crimean Peninsula, and to exercise caution in the regions of Odesa, Kharkhiv, Zaporizhia and Kherson.[...]
http://travel.state.gov/content/pass...l-warning.html
So, Kharkhiv is not that safe; it has a sizeable Russian minority and there is the risk of violence.
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Old September 10th, 2014, 04:12 PM   #27474
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Kharkiv is more like 250 km from the battle zone.
I have a co-worker who's from there. Not someone I'm close to, really, but a few days after the Maidan protests turned violent her mother died and her relatives advised her it wasn't safe to return home for the funeral. We're a small enough workplace that this piece of information was posted on our internal website (in the context of a please-offer-your-condolences-and-we're-taking-up-a-collection-for-I-forget-what piece). So next time I saw her I asked how her family was and once in a while since I'll do so.

Ran into her in the elevator maybe two weeks ago and I remarked "we're not hearing about Kharkov* any more" and she said something like it's really not any better, just not getting media attention. But this was one of those 30-second conversations in an elevator...didn't go any deeper.

*Yes, I called it KharkOV. Force of habit.
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Old September 10th, 2014, 04:27 PM   #27475
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*Yes, I called it KharkOV. Force of habit.
Many transliterations are possible from Cyrillic, but the main issue here is not transliteration, but the choice of language. For example, Kiev is the transliteration of the Russian name of the city. The Ukrainian name transliterated is Kyiv (see today's banner). So which one you use could make people think you're taking sides even if you're not aware of it.

Other examples

Luhansk (UA) / Lugansk (RUS)
Dnipropetrovsk (UA) / Dnepropetrovsk (RUS)
Kyiv (UA) / Kiev (RUS)
Odesa (UA) / Odessa (RUS)
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Old September 10th, 2014, 04:29 PM   #27476
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What's the difference between the two spellings?

EDIT: Chris already explained.
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Old September 10th, 2014, 04:32 PM   #27477
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However everyone here writes Kiev, also on TV, newspapers,... if one writes Kyiv most people won't understand which city is it.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old September 10th, 2014, 04:35 PM   #27478
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Name changes take a very long time to get used among the general populace, whether it's a skyscraper, person or placename. Many people still use Alma-Ata (the former capital of Kazakhstan) which is known as Almaty since 1993.
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Old September 10th, 2014, 04:42 PM   #27479
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Many transliterations are possible from Cyrillic, but the main issue here is not transliteration, but the choice of language. For example, Kiev is the transliteration of the Russian name of the city. The Ukrainian name transliterated is Kyiv (see today's banner). So which one you use could make people think you're taking sides even if you're not aware of it.

Other examples

Luhansk (UA) / Lugansk (RUS)
Dnipropetrovsk (UA) / Dnepropetrovsk (RUS)
Kyiv (UA) / Kiev (RUS)
Odesa (UA) / Odessa (RUS)
I understand that, and I don't know what this woman's view of the politics of the situation is and haven't wanted to ask. (She did once describe Kharki/ov as "our first capital.") I know she speaks Russian, she's a member of the sizable "Russian"-immigrant community in Philadelphia most of whom, apparently, are actually from (the) Ukraine, and many of whom are Jewish. And a Russian-speaking Ukrainian could still be anti-Russian-intervention.... And if they're over here, of course, and especially if they're Jewish, they may not have a lot of sympathy for either side of "leaders."

May come down to my age: I've been seeing these places on maps since Soviet times when the (transliterated) Russian version was all you saw.
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Name changes take a very long time to get used among the general populace, whether it's a skyscraper, person or placename. Many people still use Alma-Ata (the former capital of Kazakhstan) which is known as Almaty since 1993.
Sometimes you still hear people who fill the tank or go to holiday in Yugoslavia! And once I heard Czechoslovakia in a television service about outsourcing of industrial production in Eastern Europe (it was mentioned in a list together with Poland, Hungary, Romania,...).
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