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Old October 9th, 2014, 04:04 PM   #27881
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A problem with Google Instant is that it censores gross words, even when they have different meanings and are used in the more innocent way.
For example, apart the famous Austrian village, Google Instant, in the Italian Google, ignores the existence of the ancient city of Troy and anything related to it (like the Horse of Troy or Helen of Troy). Why? Because Troy is called Troia in Italian, that is also a very rude insult for a woman. For the same reason you can't find suggestions to the village of Troia (in Apulia) or to Sesso, a Reggio Emilia suburb who means 'sex' in Italian.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 04:10 PM   #27882
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The best thing with media reports is to quote just the first 100 words or excerpts, and link to the original website. Quoting press releases is less of a problem, but press releases about road projects are often full of political blabla, so I usually omit that, unless it contains important information.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 04:17 PM   #27883
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The best thing with media reports is to quote just the first 100 words or excerpts, and link to the original website. Quoting press releases is less of a problem, but press releases about road projects are often full of political blabla, so I usually omit that, unless it contains important information.
Does this restriction apply to Skybar too? Also to news-dedicated threads like "news of the day", "weird news from the world", "news from the Middle East",...?
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 04:27 PM   #27884
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Quoting is quoting, it applies to all sections of SSC. News reports are nearly always copyrighted.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 04:36 PM   #27885
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I don't understand why they get crazy when one quotes an entire article. As long the forumer links the original source and the article is freely available on the net, it should be fair game IMHO. You can legally share a news article on your Facebook page or profile, why not on SSC?

Is there a list of banned words in SSC?
I guess it's because, by doing so, people read the news from SSC and don't open it on the newspaper's website. So you don't view their advertisements and they don't earn money.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 04:56 PM   #27886
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I don't understand why they get crazy when one quotes an entire article. As long the forumer links the original source and the article is freely available on the net, it should be fair game IMHO. You can legally share a news article on your Facebook page or profile, why not on SSC?
Probably because the more people read an article elsewhere than the original site, the fewer people read it on the original, the fewer "hits" that site gets...and the less it can charge advertisers. It costs money to produce journalism. It's the newspaper industry's own fault they starting giving away their product for free (and kept it up long enough for people to get used to it), but at some point they have to start charging for it or else go out of business.

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Old October 9th, 2014, 05:20 PM   #27887
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A problem with Google Instant is that it censores gross words, even when they have different meanings and are used in the more innocent way.
For example, apart the famous Austrian village, Google Instant, in the Italian Google, ignores the existence of the ancient city of Troy and anything related to it (like the Horse of Troy or Helen of Troy). Why? Because Troy is called Troia in Italian, that is also a very rude insult for a woman. For the same reason you can't find suggestions to the village of Troia (in Apulia) or to Sesso, a Reggio Emilia suburb who means 'sex' in Italian.
Here it happens with 'negro' (Which means both 'black', the color, and 'nr').
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Old October 9th, 2014, 05:24 PM   #27888
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Here it happens with 'negro' (Which means both 'black', the color, and 'nr').
Here in Italy it's a surname, a brand of candies, half the name of a state (Montenegro) and the archaic name of the colour black

Oh, and the racial slur, of course.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 06:52 PM   #27889
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I guess it's because, by doing so, people read the news from SSC and don't open it on the newspaper's website. So you don't view their advertisements and they don't earn money.
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Probably because the more people read an article elsewhere than the original site, the fewer people read it on the original, the fewer "hits" that site gets...and the less it can charge advertisers. It costs money to produce journalism. It's the newspaper industry's own fault they starting giving away their product for free (and kept it up long enough for people to get used to it), but at some point they have to start charging for it or else go out of business.

EDIT: Posted before I read Jasper's.
Yes, it's correct. Even if articles are avaiable on the net for free, the number of visits is important, both for the prestige of the journalist and the website and, expecially, for charging money for ads. Also Facebook pages links to the original website. So, they have to force people to open the original page to read an article integrally.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 06:54 PM   #27890
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Here in Italy it's a surname, a brand of candies, half the name of a state (Montenegro) and the archaic name of the colour black

Oh, and the racial slur, of course.
And also a brand of playing cards.

Few years ago there was a diplomatic case in Canada when one gave a pack of Negro candies to an African child at Halloween.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 09:01 PM   #27891
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I still don't understand the craziness about the negro word. Seriously, what is wrong with it? Even in scientific speech, the "black race" is called "negroid race". The "yellow race" is "mongoloid" and the "white race" is "europoid" or sometimes "Caucasian".

I've never found offensive when someone called me "white". And, to be honest, according to the world history, whites should be the more ashamed ones.

Okay, if there is a slogan in Signal toothpaste advertisement "New white power with 88 % efficiency" it sounds really suspicious But otherwise...
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Old October 9th, 2014, 09:20 PM   #27893
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I still don't understand the craziness about the negro word. Seriously, what is wrong with it? Even in scientific speech, the "black race" is called "negroid race". The "yellow race" is "mongoloid" and the "white race" is "europoid" or sometimes "Caucasian".

I've never found offensive when someone called me "white". And, to be honest, according to the world history, whites should be the more ashamed ones.

Okay, if there is a slogan in Signal toothpaste advertisement "New white power with 88 % efficiency" it sounds really suspicious But otherwise...
In the U.S., I think it's more out of date than offensive. But if you use it as a brand name together with a, how to put it, caricatural picture of a black person.... (And since it's been out of fashion since about the time of the civil rights movement, using it might bring up associations from the bad old days.)

But you can't separate the strict, literal meaning of a word from the baggage it carries with it. If it's well known that black people don't want to be called "Negros," that to me is reason enough not to use it.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 09:22 PM   #27894
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But they still call each other *****s all the time...

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Geez, what if I was a brotha from the hood wanting to talk jive on here with another brotha from the hood, me and my homey would be all censored up...

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But you can't separate the strict, literal meaning of a word from the baggage it carries with it. If it's well known that black people don't want to be called "Negros," that to me is reason enough not to use it.
I completely understand. But if someone uses the word, or there is a foreign product (Italian candies) called like, it is still not enough reason to freak out. And personally, I don't think this word deserves to be banned. I don't assume to offend someone, if I refer to the Rio Negro river.
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But they still call each other *****s all the time...
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I completely understand. But if someone uses the word, or there is a foreign product (Italian candies) called like, it is still not enough reason to freak out. And personally, I don't think this word deserves to be banned. I don't assume to offend someone, if I referr to the Rio Negro river.
If you're complaining about automated censorship, I agree it's stupid. (And anyone who takes "Rio Negro" as anything other than the name of a river....)
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"Negros,"
I hate this order. I'd write «"Negros",». :P
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American vs. British usage. (I'm not joking.) I agree the British one makes more sense.

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