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Old October 31st, 2014, 05:19 PM   #28401
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Penn Woods, this is an interesting article about the shift-schedule chaos: Scheduling Technology Leaves Low-Income Parents With Hours of Chaos

and this covers the issue of restricted covenants and non-compete clauses: When the Guy Making Your Sandwich Has a Noncompete Clause

Both are good reads.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 05:26 PM   #28402
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I had the impression he agreed with what you said.
Well, one can't actually tell....

By the way, I just tallied it up: between vacation days and paid holidays, I get 38 weekdays (Monday-Friday) paid time off in 2014. It would be 39 if Yom Kippur hadn't fallen on a Saturday this year.

Not counting time on SSC. :-)

EDIT: Also not counting sick days, which I have so many of accumulated that I could take over a month if I was actually sick. They'd want proof, though, for that amount of sick time taken.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 05:39 PM   #28403
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It's mostly a southern European thing. Nearly the entire economy comes to a standstill (except tourism of course) during August.

The Dutch school holidays are spread out over 3 regions in the summer, so much of the country keeps functioning, albeit on a lower pace, during July and August. It is common in the construction sector to shut the business down entirely for 3 weeks, but more and more businesses remain open compared to 20 years ago.

I also prefer multiple short vacations over a summer-long vacation. I did two major trips this year, to Norway and Sweden in June and to southern France in September. Usually I take 3 or 4 international multi-day trips, but had to cut down a bit this year,I bought a new car, plus the 2 trips were rather expensive in tolls. I think I paid a combined € 400 in tolls this year.

Of course, school vacations are a factor that I tend to forget about because they don't affect me.

But here they aren't standardized: a local school district needs to have classes X days per year, will have to be closed on certain holidays, but can otherwise schedule vacations when they want. Obviously, everyone will he out of school for July and most of August, probably the week from Christmas to New Year's, but spring breaks will be more spread out.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 05:43 PM   #28404
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So what are you trying to say? You quote what I say, you quote a text, and then you put up a graph with a big fat zero sitting at the end of it?

There is a big, big difference between what I'm telling you is typical and what the text you quote is saying, and that zero. That zero is bullshit, at least in context (at a very minimum, they'd need to change the label on the graph, because it ISN'T a true representation of "paid annual leave and paid public holidays" that people in fact get), but it's what most Europeans retain as The Truth About America. If only because most Europeans (being human) would just look at the graph and not bother to read the text.
I am trying to say, if you read the quote, that the average holiday in US private sector is 15 days, national holiday included, which is 5 days short of most EU countries compulsory holiday days, the national holiday excluded.

Read the article. That article is about the government sanctioned holiday. As you can see, the graph shows also just 4 weeks by most countries, while in reality the employes get often 5 or even 6 weeks holiday.

Yes, the general and truth picture is that in the US people have much less holiday, and a quarter have none. I think that you should accept this as a fact.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 05:58 PM   #28405
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I "should accept it as a fact"? Who are you to say what I should and should not do?

But if we're going that route, you will please acknowledge that a graph labeled "paid annual leave and paid holidays" by country, without specifying that it's leave and holidays required by the state, that then shows a number zero for the U.S. is a lie. Even if you live in, say, France and can't conceive of anything really existing without the state ordering it to, it's a lie. Just like the France2 reporter who flatly stated on the air during the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case that "the presumption of innocence does not exist in the United States" was either a liar or an idiot, or both. Hence my remark that Europeans hear a lot of bullshit about the U.S. Because that sort of thing's breathtakingly typical.

The problem is, a typical newspaper or website would publish an article about paid leave time and include a graph like that, someone who doesn't have time to read the article would just look the graph, and draw the same conclusion CNGL did. And quite often the newspaper or website would attach a misleading headline to it. After all, it's briefer to say "Americans don't get any vacation" than "Americans don't have a legal entitlement to vacation but most get it anyway."

And we still don't know how many of that 25 percent are working part-time.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 06:05 PM   #28406
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Americans are rich in money
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Old October 31st, 2014, 06:08 PM   #28407
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...and money....
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Old October 31st, 2014, 06:15 PM   #28408
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Interesting Honda campaign. Press the R button during watching the video.

https://www.youtube.com/user/HondaVideo
so that's the famous commercial that they have filmed 3 months ago here in Rijeka
media wrote about it, there were spy photos of Civic Type-R in the tunnel on D404, but noone knew what final shape would the commercial have
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Old October 31st, 2014, 06:17 PM   #28409
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so that's the famous commercial that they have filmed 3 months ago here in Rijeka
media wrote about it, there were spy photos of Civic Type-R in the tunnel on D403, but noone knew what final shape would the commercial have
You beat me for 2 minutes. Just wanted to say those were Rijeka and Ljubljana in the video.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 06:36 PM   #28410
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...and money....
...which they then spend on fuel and tolls.

At least those of us/you who like road trips.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 06:48 PM   #28411
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Taxation is generally higher in Europe than in the United States. So from apart from the higher overall income, the descretionary spending is also higher for an American. Goods and services have lower taxes.

In the Netherlands, you can spend your money (after income tax) on goods (21% tax) or cars (65% tax) or fuel (200% tax).
On the other hand we do get a more affordable health care in return. Which may not seem like a big deal in your 20s, but is definitely worth something when you are 60+.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 06:52 PM   #28412
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For my recent surgery, 5 days in hospital, followups, and 2 weeks of medications, I spent zero. :P
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Health care's another issue. Although, again, it's a matter of most people being covered so how do we come up with the political will to take care of those who aren't. (My coverage is decent but there's no excuse, morally speaking, for anyone not having coverage in a "rich" society. And yes, we made a big dent in the problem during this presidency but....)

But I try (try) to stay out of politics around here.

EDIT: Arrows for Chris, but it still works.
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I "should accept it as a fact"? Who are you to say what I should and should not do?

But if we're going that route, you will please acknowledge that a graph labeled "paid annual leave and paid holidays" by country, without specifying that it's leave and holidays required by the state, that then shows a number zero for the U.S. is a lie. Even if you live in, say, France and can't conceive of anything really existing without the state ordering it to, it's a lie. Just like the France2 reporter who flatly stated on the air during the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case that "the presumption of innocence does not exist in the United States" was either a liar or an idiot, or both. Hence my remark that Europeans hear a lot of bullshit about the U.S. Because that sort of thing's breathtakingly typical.

The problem is, a typical newspaper or website would publish an article about paid leave time and include a graph like that, someone who doesn't have time to read the article would just look the graph, and draw the same conclusion CNGL did. And quite often the newspaper or website would attach a misleading headline to it. After all, it's briefer to say "Americans don't get any vacation" than "Americans don't have a legal entitlement to vacation but most get it anyway."

And we still don't know how many of that 25 percent are working part-time.
You got a quote with it stating it. You got also the link to that Harvard article. I think you overdo it.

Those working part time have also the right for vacation in Europe...
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For my recent surgery, 5 days in hospital, followups, and 2 weeks of medications, I spent zero. :P
Look again at your paycheck to see how much you pay for health security

As for vacation; I get 25 days. I have one two week vacation and then additional shorter ones. I have a privilege that I can use my overtime work hours as additional free days. Every few years I go to some long trip so I take at least 4 weeks - that is very hard to arrange as my work usually does not allow that.
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Look again at your paycheck to see how much you pay for health security
I pay nothing for that. The only money they cut from my salary (10% more or less) is for the retirement pension.
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I pay nothing for that. The only money they cut from my salary (10% more or less) is for the retirement pension.
And you're salary is how much ?
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I pay nothing for that. The only money they cut from my salary (10% more or less) is for the retirement pension.
Health care is probably funded through the general income tax (which I assume you have to pay as well) and other general taxes.

There is a separate health insurance in the Netherlands, which is obligatory for all citizens age 18 or over, regardless if you have paid work or not. The rates are usually around € 100 -140 per month, but lower incomes get compensated up to € 75 per month by the government. Many people consider the health insurance 'expensive', even though it covers only about 10% of the real health care cost in the Netherlands. But it managed to eliminate the long waiting lists at hospitals for non-emergency treatments.
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And you're salary is how much ?
Not much. Below average.

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Health care is probably funded through the general income tax (which I assume you have to pay as well) and other general taxes.
Personally I don't have to pay any income tax (called IRPEF in Italy). My status is a bit peculiar, though: technically I'm not employed by my institution, I have a fellowship payed for by the state through my institution. It has a very low level of taxation, but several disadvantages as well: for instance the retirement pension tax goes to a separate fund, and my pension will be a lot lower than those issued by the primary fund. Moreover, not paying any IRPEF, I'm not entitled to have any refund (house rent, over-the-counter medicines, etc)
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