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Old November 2nd, 2014, 08:30 PM   #28461
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You mean streets, right? Streets named after Tito are more common in Istria, than the rest of Croatia.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 08:31 PM   #28462
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Some people are unable to distinguish facts. But the most important is, there is no black&white world. Caucescu is a good example. From start he looked like wise and smart leader. He took advantages from being on East, but also maintained good relations with West. In former Czechoslovakia we often don't know how to perceive it, because of his refusal to participate in 1968 Czechoslovakia Invasion. I, personally, still think he should have been sentenced at regular court, not somewhere in the bunker with no lawyers.

On the other hand, he did not deserve to have public place named after.

Tito is the similar case. Yugoslavia was the only country to be set free by itself in WW2 under his rule. He really held the country locked together and people did not care about their nationality. For us in the East Bloc, Yugoslavia was something well developed, rich and prospering. Comparing to our stupid crazy and insane elderly leaders completely subordinated to USSR, there was no totality in SFRY at all.

The bloodshed started soon after his death.
Yeah, Tito kept it there together and he kept it rather prosperous. I would cmpare it to what is now in China, but not so progressive though. I would say that Salazar in Portugal was quite worse, but he did not endorsed the "wrong ideology" of socialism. There are many such examples around the world. A prominent one being e.g. South Africa, which was a terrible regime. Worse than the regimes in the soviet satellites.

Personally, I would not have problem with Tito's streets. That's something that the ex-Yu countries have to decide for themselves.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 09:18 PM   #28463
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 10:30 PM   #28464
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Tito is the similar case. Yugoslavia was the only country to be set free by itself in WW2 under his rule. He really held the country locked together and people did not care about their nationality. For us in the East Bloc, Yugoslavia was something well developed, rich and prospering. Comparing to our stupid crazy and insane elderly leaders completely subordinated to USSR, there was no totality in SFRY at all.

The bloodshed started soon after his death.
It's true, but we shouldn't forget the anti-Italian ethnic cleasing committed in the aftermath of WWII. They occupied Trieste in May 1945, killed many civilians on the spot and many other in the "foibe", even buried still alive. Italians had to flee Istria by boat and lost all their properties. In August 1946 they detonated a bomb during a party on a beach near Pola, killing almost 100 Italians and forcing the survivors to return to Italy. Many Italians, including Italian communists (the pro-Moscow Italian PCI became anti-Yugoslavian after Yugoslavia broke relationship with the USSR in 1948), ended their life in Goli Otok.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 10:42 PM   #28465
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I completely agree with you.

Btw. Once I see a document about Goli Otok. It was really gross. The officers let prisoners carry rocks from one side of the place to the other, being told, they are going to build Kilimanjaro. After years of hard and useless work, they had been told no Kilimanjaro is actually being build, but Mount Everest, so they have to move the pile of rocks from one side to another.
It was one of the few gulags in Yugoslavia, but one of the most deadly in World- document said.
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 01:57 PM   #28466
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This fits to another thread, but I've just really burst out laughing
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 04:43 PM   #28467
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My father received a funny e-mail from his friend today:

"My 100-year-old mother-in-law has (finally) died."
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 04:51 PM   #28468
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It's true, but we shouldn't forget the anti-Italian ethnic cleasing committed in the aftermath of WWII. They occupied Trieste in May 1945, killed many civilians on the spot and many other in the "foibe", even buried still alive. Italians had to flee Istria by boat and lost all their properties. In August 1946 they detonated a bomb during a party on a beach near Pola, killing almost 100 Italians and forcing the survivors to return to Italy. Many Italians, including Italian communists (the pro-Moscow Italian PCI became anti-Yugoslavian after Yugoslavia broke relationship with the USSR in 1948), ended their life in Goli Otok.
There's a woman who does Italian food shows here who's from Pola: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidia_Bastianich
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 05:23 PM   #28470
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It's true, but we shouldn't forget the anti-Italian ethnic cleasing committed in the aftermath of WWII. They occupied Trieste in May 1945, killed many civilians on the spot and many other in the "foibe", even buried still alive. Italians had to flee Istria by boat and lost all their properties. In August 1946 they detonated a bomb during a party on a beach near Pola, killing almost 100 Italians and forcing the survivors to return to Italy. Many Italians, including Italian communists (the pro-Moscow Italian PCI became anti-Yugoslavian after Yugoslavia broke relationship with the USSR in 1948), ended their life in Goli Otok.
ironic - after that Goli Otok was used as prison for anti-yugoslav and anti-communist people (and it was not hard to be accused as anti-communist)
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http://goo.gl/maps/I97s1

I lost my car's exhaust pipe here in 2001. Don't ask me what I was doing with a Peugeot 405 on this crappy road in the middle of nowhere.
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 06:22 PM   #28473
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I was kinda expecting you to show us your exhaust pipe just laying there on Streetview
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I lost my car's exhaust pipe here in 2001. Don't ask me what I was doing with a Peugeot 405 on this crappy road in the middle of nowhere.

So why have you started?
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Started what?
to talk about it
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Well, I wanted to see the road.
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My fiancée has gotten the driver's licence today, so I take her to traffic. I am still alive...
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I lost my car's exhaust pipe here in 2001. Don't ask me what I was doing with a Peugeot 405 on this crappy road in the middle of nowhere.
well, you don't have to tell us. it looks like just a normal car-dating place, so it's obvious what you've been doing there.
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