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Old November 13th, 2014, 12:54 AM   #28761
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I think quick BJ on intersection while waiting for green is okay.
LOL either you are faster than me, or Bratislava traffice lights are insanely long (or your wife is really really good in which case I offer my congrats )
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Old November 13th, 2014, 12:55 AM   #28762
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Zut alors !

Voilà : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle...ates_of_France
See pic at upper right, and the caption.
2B is the Département of Haute-Corse (one of two départements in Corsica) ; the symbol above it should be the logo of the region of Corsica.

(Have to do everything around here...)

EDIT: Arrows for Verso.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 04:44 PM   #28763
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Old November 13th, 2014, 06:11 PM   #28764
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Does Insurance rates depend on counties? Croatia is not federal republic or?
it is not the federal republic. we have 20 administrative regions (you have 8 of them in SK, i hope we will also lower it), but their areas don't match with the plate-codes areas. one of the factors that significantly affects on the insurance rate is exactly the licence plate code because insurance companies' opinion is that not every area has the same level of the risk. there are 7 groups:
I - KR, ZG (176)
II - SB, VK (160)
III - SK, ST (146)
IV - BJ, ČK, GS, IM, KA, KC, KT, NG, OS, PU, RI, VT, VŽ, ZD, ŽU (132)
V - BM, DJ, DU, MA, OG, ŠI (119)
VI - DE, KŽ, NA, PŽ, SL, VU (109)
VII - DA (100)

the numbers in brackets show the price of the insurance if insurance for the 7th group costs 100, so you can see that the difference is quite large.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 08:50 PM   #28765
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I guess that someone in Guadeloupe could put a 2B and a Corsican flag on their plate.

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It can also mean other sorts of significant boundary. Examples: in American history, "the frontier" was used for the edge of European settlement at any given time, and people living in newly settled areas near that edge were said to be living "on the frontier"; then there's the voiceover at the beginning of Star Trek that starts "Space: the final frontier." I wouldn't talk of the frontier between two U.S. states or the administrative subdivisions of other countries...that's not significant enough.

EDIT: I just looked at the comments to the MW definition. Interesting that someone mentions "Doctors Without Borders," which is the English name for the organization that in French is called "Médecins sans frontières".
I will move this discussion to here and add that to me 'frontier' also has connotations of a real barrier, Baarle-Nassau and Baarle-Other One aren't separated by a frontier but Berlin was.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 09:02 PM   #28766
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I guess that someone in Guadeloupe could put a 2B and a Corsican flag on their plate.
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I will move this discussion to here and add that to me 'frontier' also has connotations of a real barrier, Baarle-Nassau and Baarle-Other One aren't separated by a frontier but Berlin was.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 09:03 PM   #28767
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Old November 13th, 2014, 09:11 PM   #28768
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it is not the federal republic. we have 20 administrative regions (you have 8 of them in SK, i hope we will also lower it), but their areas don't match with the plate-codes areas. one of the factors that significantly affects on the insurance rate is exactly the licence plate code because insurance companies' opinion is that not every area has the same level of the risk. there are 7 groups:
I - KR, ZG (176)
II - SB, VK (160)
III - SK, ST (146)
IV - BJ, ČK, GS, IM, KA, KC, KT, NG, OS, PU, RI, VT, VŽ, ZD, ŽU (132)
V - BM, DJ, DU, MA, OG, ŠI (119)
VI - DE, KŽ, NA, PŽ, SL, VU (109)
VII - DA (100)

the numbers in brackets show the price of the insurance if insurance for the 7th group costs 100, so you can see that the difference is quite large.
I'm sorry, but isn't it discriminative? I can't imagine something similar here. Although I work in spatial planning, i can't imagine how can locality affect the safety and the risk of accident in general. I understand the different insurance rate for different car categories or for drivers in line with when their DL is valid from, but locality? It makes no sense to me. Wasn't their attempts to withdraw it?
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Old November 13th, 2014, 09:20 PM   #28769
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Old November 13th, 2014, 09:23 PM   #28770
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I'm sorry, but isn't it discriminative? I can't imagine something similar here. Although I work in spatial planning, i can't imagine how can locality affect the safety and the risk of accident in general. I understand the different insurance rate for different car categories or for drivers in line with when their DL is valid from, but locality? It makes no sense to me. Wasn't their attempts to withdraw it?
Welcome to the free market.

Seriously, it happens here too. I have a higher risk of my car being stolen or broken into because I park it on the street in a big city. Higher risk of accident (or at least certain types of accident) because there's denser traffic....
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I'm sorry, but isn't it discriminative? I can't imagine something similar here. Although I work in spatial planning, i can't imagine how can locality affect the safety and the risk of accident in general. I understand the different insurance rate for different car categories or for drivers in line with when their DL is valid from, but locality? It makes no sense to me. Wasn't their attempts to withdraw it?
frankly - being in the 4th category i am happy about it
but yes, it is discriminative, i agree.
but there is even larger nonsense: for instance, i am in 4th category with my BJ plates, and only 11 km from my house starts ZG zone. and that village which has ZG plates is 72 km far from the source of expensive insurance for the 1st category - Zagreb itself. i really feel sorry for those people who visit Zagreb with their cars maybe once in 3 months, and live in peacefull villages far from large urban areas, and pay high rates only for having ZG on their plates.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 09:30 PM   #28772
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My insurance went down £1000 when I moved to Aber.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 09:35 PM   #28773
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I'm sorry, but isn't it discriminative? I can't imagine something similar here. Although I work in spatial planning, i can't imagine how can locality affect the safety and the risk of accident in general
Are you kidding? Compare Trento and Naples. They're both in Italy, but in Naples the risk of accident is many many times higher.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 09:35 PM   #28774
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Talking of Baarle:

http://www.lalibre.be/actu/politique...70a5ad0ee2e0ab

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/politiek/1.2147264

Three Flemish political parties - the ones that are in power - want to rename the province of Antwerp to "Midden-Brabant."

PS to Chris/George and his taalgenoten*: what's "ontvoogding"?
*If that doesn't exist, it should. Not that that's for me to say.
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frankly - being in the 4th category i am happy about it
but yes, it is discriminative, i agree.
but there is even larger nonsense: for instance, i am in 4th category with my BJ plates, and only 11 km from my house starts ZG zone. and that village which has ZG plates is 72 km far from the source of expensive insurance for the 1st category - Zagreb itself. i really feel sorry for those people who visit Zagreb with their cars maybe once in 3 months, and live in peacefull villages far from large urban areas, and pay high rates only for having ZG on their plates.
But those rates are calculated according to the number of accidents caused by drivers from particular area, aren't they? Hope it is not made up by mediocre clerk.
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Are you kidding? Compare Trento and Naples. They're both in Italy, but in Naples the risk of accident is many many times higher.
I understand. But... Why should you be discriminated if you have not caused any accident. If you cause accident, you will lose the bonus. I think it is fair. And it is easy to be involved in accident in big cities than in peaceful and quiet settlements.

My insurence rate decrease annually as the time goes by (the bonus rises). When I cause an accident, it will restart.
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But those rates are calculated according to the number of accidents caused by drivers from particular area, aren't they? Hope it is not made up by mediocre clerk.
probably yes. generally they have used some kind of risk potential factor.
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Are you kidding? Compare Trento and Naples. They're both in Italy, but in Naples the risk of accident is many many times higher.
Not only the risk of accident but also insurance frauds.
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Are you kidding? Compare Trento and Naples. They're both in Italy, but in Naples the risk of accident is many many times higher.
It might be. Would you say that on a European level, there are differences in the accident rate by nationalities? Shouldn't the insurance companies include this in the risk?

I think that the last time the EU was busy with the different rate for women and men. The women had lower rate because of their lower risk. This was deemed discriminatory.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 10:09 PM   #28780
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I understand. But... Why should you be discriminated if you have not caused any accident.
Insurance is all about statistic. If you live in a certain area, you are more likely to cause or be involved in an accident: companies have more expenses and therefore your insurance costs more.
I fail to see the problem.
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