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Old December 9th, 2014, 07:20 PM   #29281
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"listopad"? You use the same set of names for the months that Polish does?

I have no idea what month "listopad" is, but I've always liked the sound of it.
I would translate it as "Leafs-fall".

It is actually interesting, because those names are not artificial and a result of the national revive in the 18-19th century as one could assume, but they originate in the oldest Slavic language.

Those names are directly related to the nature changes around the year, as the flow of time was perceived by those changes in those old times. I must say that I really like those names.

Leden - led = ice. Icen could be nice.

Únor - nořit = immerse, sink, the ice on water started to crack and sink under. The meaning is however here quite lost for most native people. Can't really make up nice English alternative. Maybe merser?

Březen - bříza = birk tree, the birk trees start to green up, - březí = gravid, the animals get heavy. I would go with birker or rather birken.

Duben - dub = oak, the oak trees start to green up, I like oaker or oaken

Květen - květ = bloom, Could be floweren or bloomen. Máj - May, was used quite often as well.

Červen - červený = red, červenat = turning red. The fruits are turning red. Here goes redden nicely.

Červenec, around the same as above. What about reddener or redderen

Srpen - sirpsti = ripen, srp = sickle, reaping hook. The harwest gets ripe and is harvested. It could go with reapen.

Září - from old zářuj = rut, The rutting season. We could go with rutten or perhaps heaten.

Říjen - říje = rut, as above

Listopad - list = leaf, padat = to fall, that is simple. Leafsfall.

Prosinec - from old prosiněti = flashing through, sinný = grey. The sun is flashing through the grey period. We could go with gleamen.

There is a very nice Czech fairytale about the 12 months (pohádka o dvanácti měsíčkách). The first mention about this fairytale is from the 14th century.
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Old December 9th, 2014, 07:49 PM   #29282
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Those names are directly related to the nature changes around the year, as the flow of time was perceived by those changes in those old times. I must say that I really like those names
It's interesting how different cultures name months after differents phenomenons. Our, Latvian, old month names were from a more human point of view, focusing less on the nature part:

Ziemas mēnesis = Winter month - no need for explanation

Sveču mēnesis = Candle month - very dark so you need candles?

Sērsnu mēnesis = Frozen snow / snow crust month - due to temperature changes between below and above freezing.

Sulu mēnesis = Sap month - birch sap period. Even nowadays people collect birch sap for drinking; some make wine from it.

Lapu mēnesis = Leaf month - trees begin to grow leaves

Ziedu mēnesis = Flower month - bloom period

Siena mēnesis = Hay month - time for hay

Rudzu mēnesis = Rye month - time for rye. Rye bread is very popular here.

Silu mēnesis = Pine forest month - time to start collecting wood for winter

Veļu mēnesis = Ghost / soul of the dead month - time for the dead

Sala mēnesis
= Frost month - first frosts

Vilku mēnesis = Wolf month - beware of wolves?
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Old December 9th, 2014, 10:35 PM   #29285
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geometrically that would be the centroid and we are searching for the centre of the incircle. that would be in the village Donji Lipovčani
we are definitely the coutnry with the most f*cked up shape in Europe
The exact opposite of Macedonia, the largest state with almost perfect shape.
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Dąbrowa, Goose Hill, Szczodrów, Toledo East and West Baltimore on the S8 from Wroclaw to Sycowa

Syców is translated to both Toledo and Baltimore apparently. Original text
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Old December 10th, 2014, 12:34 AM   #29288
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geometrically that would be the centroid and we are searching for the centre of the incircle. that would be in the village Donji Lipovčani
That's right, I'm searching for the centre of the incircle (incentre). It should be very easy to find with an appropriate program, but I don't know where to draw an expanding circle. Where did you get Donji Lipovčani? It's somewhat closer to Bosnia and Hungary than to Slovenia.
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That's right, I'm searching for the centre of the incircle (incentre). It should be very easy to find with an appropriate program, but I don't know where to draw an expanding circle.
www.freemaptools.com
Tool "Radius Around Point".
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Old December 10th, 2014, 05:30 PM   #29290
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It's interesting how different cultures name months after differents phenomenons. Our, Latvian, old month names were from a more human point of view, focusing less on the nature part:
In Lithuania we use our own month names that was adopted for wide use in 19th century. Untill then, each region used similar or different names to that we use today.
  • Sausis (January) - dry month. When there is only ice and snow.
  • Vasaris (February) - month that name derived from the word 'vasara'
  • (means 'summer'). Month when people starts to think about summer works.
  • Kovas (March) - month that means 'rook' (the bird that is similar to the crow).
  • Balandis (April) - means 'piggeon'
  • Gegužė (May) - from word 'gegutė' (means cockoo bird ). Announce for everyone that summer is near.
  • Birželis (June) - means 'birch tree'
  • Liepa (July) - means 'linden tree'
  • Rugpjūtis (August) - means 'time to cut the rye'
  • Rugsėjis (September) - means 'time to sow the rye'
  • Spalis (October) - it is related to linen works in autumn. Spalis means the 'stem of the linen'.
  • Lapkritis (November) - listospada Leaffall time (although all leaves are gone from trees in Lithuania)
  • Gruodis (December) - when everything freeze.
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Old December 10th, 2014, 05:45 PM   #29291
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www.freemaptools.com
Tool "Radius Around Point".
Great website, thanks! So the point in Slovenia farthest from the border is indeed in western Slovenia, not eastern, near Žažar (Zsa Zsa (Gabo)r ), about 46 km from Austria, Croatia and Italy. I bet there's no monument there to mark this, which is stupid.

I'm still trying to find the largest width of Slovenia, which is much more difficult.

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Old December 10th, 2014, 05:55 PM   #29292
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In Lithuania we use our own month names that was adopted for wide use in 19th century. Untill then, each region used similar or different names to that we use today.
Nice to hear that you, unlike us, still use your month names
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  • Vasaris (February) - month that name derived from the word 'vasara' (means 'summer'). Month when people starts to think about summer works.
  • Lapkritis (November) - listospada Leaffall time (although all leaves are gone from trees in Lithuania)
That logic At least now I will know that, when visiting my aunt in February, I'm just 800 meters from summer



BTW What do you call Autumn? We use "lapkritis" as a more poetic word for Autumn. The regular word of Autumn is "rudens" - a name derived from "ruds"("gingery"), meaning "the gingery season" because all the leaves turn ginger.
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It's interesting how different cultures name months after differents phenomenons. Our, Latvian, old month names were from a more human point of view, focusing less on the nature part:
Are they not used anymore?
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Old December 10th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #29294
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BTW What do you call Autumn? We use "lapkritis" as a more poetic word for Autumn. The regular word of Autumn is "rudens" - a name derived from "ruds"("gingery"), meaning "the gingery season" because all the leaves turn ginger.
English - Lithuanian:
Autumn - Ruduo
Spring - Pavasaris
Summer - Vasara
Winter - Žiema
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Old December 10th, 2014, 08:43 PM   #29295
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That's right, I'm searching for the centre of the incircle (incentre). It should be very easy to find with an appropriate program, but I don't know where to draw an expanding circle. Where did you get Donji Lipovčani? It's somewhat closer to Bosnia and Hungary than to Slovenia.
sorry, I meant Gornji Lipovčani, i have been google-earthing it.
but now i see that actually village Mostari is the closest to the centre (62 km from each).

i was also completely wrong pointing the closest Hungarian place as Bábocsa, and closest Bosnian as Gradina Donja, while it should be Gyekenés in Hungary and Bosanska Kostajnica in BIH.
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Are they not used anymore?
Sadly no - nowadays we use the international names:
Janvāris, februāris, marts, aprīlis, maijs, jūnijs, jūlijs, augusts, septembris, oktobris, novembris, decembris

In the western part of Latvia novembris is pronounced with a slightly different 'o' sound. In Latvian it's still written as 'o' but in Lithuanian it would be written as 'uo'.

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In Lithuania we use [..]
  • Balandis (April) - means 'piggeon'
  • Liepa (July) - means 'linden tree'
  • Spalis (October) - it is related to linen works in autumn. Spalis means the 'stem of the linen'.
I just found in my Latvian dictionary that, besides the historical words I already mentioned, people used also different words. For example, we also had a Pigeon month - Baložu mēnesis! But it was March, not April!
And that July over here also could be called Liepu mēnesis!

It shows that October could also be called Zemliku mēnesis, but I don't know what are zemliki. It would translate as the-things-that-you-put-under [something]. Maybe it's something related to your Spalis?
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It shows that October could also be called Zemliku mēnesis, but I don't know what are zemliki. It would translate as the-things-that-you-put-under [something]. Maybe it's something related to your Spalis?
It could be potatoes? But that would rule out an origin from before 1500.
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Old December 10th, 2014, 09:18 PM   #29298
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Old December 10th, 2014, 09:24 PM   #29299
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It could be potatoes? But that would rule out an origin from before 1500.
No, potatoes are called 'kartupeļi', 'bimbaļi', 'buļbas', 'tupeņi', 'pampaļi', 'zemes pupas' and similar. Zemliki or maybe zemlikas sound like they could mean the straw that was used as a pillow centuries ago. But it's only my suspicion.
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Old December 10th, 2014, 09:36 PM   #29300
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We in the hungarian language are not so speciale in this case. Január,Február,Március,ÁprilisMájus,Június,Július,Augusztus,Szeptember,Október,November és December. Very common.
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