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Old December 11th, 2014, 02:08 PM   #29321
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Old December 11th, 2014, 06:48 PM   #29322
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Why is there a geographic region called Italy (I understand Italian Peninsula) and why does it include countries other than Italy?
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Old December 11th, 2014, 07:18 PM   #29323
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Why is there a geographic region called Italy (I understand Italian Peninsula) and why does it include countries other than Italy?
Italian peninsula would exclude Northern Italy and all islands.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 07:37 PM   #29324
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That's why you have a country called Italy, you don't need a geographic region called like that as well. I don't see how western Slovenia is geographically Italy. That's like saying Trieste is geographically Slovenia, because it sticks out of Italy too much and lies on the Balkan-, not Italian Peninsula.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 07:49 PM   #29325
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Why is there a geographic region called Italy (I understand Italian Peninsula) and why does it include countries other than Italy?
Not all Italy is in the geographical Italian region.
3 out of 8057 Italian city districts are outside of it. They're the cities of Livigno, San Candido/Innichen and Tarvisio/Tarvis/Trbi˛. They're part of the Danube basin, which is not part of the Italian region.

And for having this super-tiny part of Danube basin, Italy can avoid paying taxes when our ships sail into the Danube, thanks to an agreement made in 1948
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Old December 11th, 2014, 08:01 PM   #29326
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That's why you have a country called Italy, you don't need a geographic region called like that as well. I don't see how western Slovenia is geographically Italy. That's like saying Trieste is geographically Slovenia, because it sticks out of Italy too much and lies on the Balkan-, not Italian Peninsula.
Orography is the criterium to set the border of a geographical region. In that case, the main Alpine watershed is the boundary.
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Not all Italy is in the geographical Italian region.
3 out of 8057 Italian city districts are outside of it. They're the cities of Livigno, San Candido/Innichen and Tarvisio/Tarvis/Trbiž. They're part of the Danube basin, which is not part of the Italian region.

And for having this super-tiny part of Danube basin, Italy can avoid paying taxes when our ships sail into the Danube, thanks to an agreement made in 1948
Also Lampedusa is outside, as part of the African continent. A small, inhabitated area in Lombardy (Val di Lei), belongs to the Rhine (North Sea) basin.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 08:57 PM   #29327
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That's why you have a country called Italy, you don't need a geographic region called like that as well. I don't see how western Slovenia is geographically Italy. That's like saying Trieste is geographically Slovenia, because it sticks out of Italy too much and lies on the Balkan-, not Italian Peninsula.
I'm sure before there was an Italian nation-state the peninsula (and everything up to the Alps...basically the Italian-speaking area) was called Italy in English. Yes, you wouldn't do that now.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 09:12 PM   #29328
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I'm sure before there was an Italian nation-state the peninsula (and everything up to the Alps...basically the Italian-speaking area) was called Italy in English. Yes, you wouldn't do that now.
In Czech it is called Apennine Peninsula and in Dutch as well as in German and Russian.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 09:22 PM   #29329
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I'm sure before there was an Italian nation-state the peninsula (and everything up to the Alps...basically the Italian-speaking area) was called Italy in English. Yes, you wouldn't do that now.
Canton Ticino and Corsica were already consolidated parts of Switzerland and France and probably people wouldn't have grouped them with Italian regional states. But, everyting else, was probably called Italy, like currently we call Scandinavia a group of independent states.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 09:25 PM   #29330
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Yes, you wouldn't do that now.
That. I don't see a problem if a part of Slovenia lies on the Italian Peninsula (sounds funny though), but to bluntly call it Italy is IMO a bit... politically incorrect.
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It is called "Regione geografica italiana", "Italian geographic region". Wikipedia calls it Italy, but we know well that Wikipedia is not to be taken as absolute truth.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 09:34 PM   #29332
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That. I don't see a problem if a part of Slovenia lies on the Italian Peninsula (sounds funny though), but to bluntly call it Italy is IMO a bit... politically incorrect.
I think there are three different entities:
1) Italy (the country)
2) Italian peninsula
3) Italian geographic region
No part of Slovenia is included in the Italian peninsula, but part of it is included in the Italian geographic region.
If you think that the Italian Wikipedia article Italia (regione geografica) is politically uncorrect, it can be change in Regione geografica italiana, but I don't think it would change much. IMHO this controversy is as silly as the Macedonia\FYROM issue.

EDIT: Spinoza explained while I was writing.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #29333
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Italian geographic region.
This one is completely new to me. Yes, after checking the wiki once again, this seems to me to be a made up term.

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This one is completely new to me. Yes, after checking the wiki once again, this seems to me to be a made up term.
Every term is made up by someone.
Still, this is something commonly taught in Italian schools, for quite a long time. No political revanchism: just a geographical thing.
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It is called "Regione geografica italiana", "Italian geographic region". Wikipedia calls it Italy, but we know well that Wikipedia is not to be taken as absolute truth.
Wikipedia calls what "Italy"? In English, the main "Italy" article is the political entity. There are mentions of the Italian Peninsula and the like on the "Italy" disambiguation page.
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No part of Slovenia is included in the Italian peninsula
The Vipava (Vipacco) Valley is apparently.

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Still, this is something commonly taught in Italian schools
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Italian wikipedia has two entries:

- Italia
- Italia (regione geografica)

Maybe the latter would be better called "Regione geografica italiana".
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Why? I don't see what's there to laugh at...
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Old December 11th, 2014, 10:42 PM   #29340
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Why? I don't see what's there to laugh at...
Ok, no laughing this time:
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