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Old December 12th, 2014, 11:12 AM   #29361
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As far as I recollect the geographical terms are stemming either from physical geography as e.g. geomorphology - thus Apennines peninsula. Or from human geography, such as political geography - thus Italy.

Now from what does Italian geographical area stems from? Is it a political or physical term? I would suggest that it is a nonsense term.
Bear in mind that the word "Italy" long predates any political state. Romans called "Italia" everything below the Alps, even before the Roman Empire, when Rome was just a bunch of houses along the Tiber (and when in the rest of Europe there was basically nothing and no one). So it may look a nonsense term to you, but it is not.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 12:46 PM   #29362
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Anyway, the largest width of Slovenia is about 115 km. (through a point SW of Trebnje)
Are you sure? I can measure 137,9 km
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Old December 12th, 2014, 02:35 PM   #29363
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Moreover, the current I-SLO border is less than 70 years old and it doesn't follow any natural feature (watershed, river). Why should someone choose it as a boundary for a geographical (i.e. physical) region?
Because Italy lies on the Italian-, not Balkan Peninsula (which would exclude Trieste as well). If the border is the watershed, then Italy can as well extend to Greece. Why would the border be by Rijeka?

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Are you sure? I can measure 137,9 km
Impossible. It's no more than 117 km at the widest point. You're probably talking about the longest north-south line, but that's not the definition of width (shortest distance from border to border).
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Old December 12th, 2014, 03:15 PM   #29364
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Everyone agrees in the existence of geographical regions such the Iberian peninsula (Spain+Portugal+Andorra+Gibraltar), British Isles (UK+Ireland+Man+Jersey+Alderney+Guersey+Sark), Scandinavia (Norway+Sweden), ecc... It doesn't mean that Spain wants to annex Portugal, the UK wants to annex Ireland or Sweden wants to annex Norway. It's just a mere geographical definition. I don't see why the "Italian geographical region", who includes most of Italy, chunks of Switzerland, Slovenia, Croatia and France and microstates (San Marino, Vatican, Monaco and Malta) upset many people and it's seen has having political (Greater Italy, Irridentism) connotations.
Moreover, the current I-SLO border is less than 70 years old and it doesn't follow any natural feature (watershed, river). Why should someone choose it as a boundary for a geographical (i.e. physical) region?

Here you have:
Muncipalities not included in the Italian Republic belonging to the Italian geographical region.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuni_...afica_italiana
Municipalities included in the Italian Republic not included in the Italian geographical region.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuni_...afica_italiana
Yes, and there also exists Apennines peninsula or if you want Italian peninsula. All those peninsulas are defined by the nature self.

If we would talk about borders then it would follow some historical or present political borders.

The political names may become used to annotate also geographical terms, there is no problem with it. I don't think you got my point

But what is Italian geographical area? What should it mean in the science of Geography? To me it seems a nonsense, unnecessary, made up term that doesn't have any physical, nor political, underlying reality.

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Old December 12th, 2014, 03:20 PM   #29365
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Is there a page where one could see areas and years of Google Street View updates?

That is something like this:

2014, all areas updated in that year, sorted out by countries and dates
2013, all areas update in that year, sorted out by countries and dates
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Old December 12th, 2014, 03:26 PM   #29366
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Old December 12th, 2014, 05:23 PM   #29367
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Everyone agrees in the existence of geographical regions such the Iberian peninsula (Spain+Portugal+Andorra+Gibraltar), British Isles (UK+Ireland+Man+Jersey+Alderney+Guersey+Sark), Scandinavia (Norway+Sweden), ecc... It doesn't mean that Spain wants to annex Portugal, the UK wants to annex Ireland or Sweden wants to annex Norway. It's just a mere geographical definition. I don't see why the "Italian geographical region", who includes most of Italy, chunks of Switzerland, Slovenia, Croatia and France and microstates (San Marino, Vatican, Monaco and Malta) upset many people and it's seen has having political (Greater Italy, Irridentism) connotations.
Moreover, the current I-SLO border is less than 70 years old and it doesn't follow any natural feature (watershed, river). Why should someone choose it as a boundary for a geographical (i.e. physical) region?

Here you have:
Muncipalities not included in the Italian Republic belonging to the Italian geographical region.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuni_...afica_italiana
Municipalities included in the Italian Republic not included in the Italian geographical region.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuni_...afica_italiana
Actually, I did read a book once about the Reformation, in which the author felt the need to refer to the "Atlantic Isles" so as not to offend the Irish, and to explain that in the preface. And some years back that came up in this thread. But I'd never seen the term "Atlantic Isles" before, and the problem had never occurred to me.

But really, I think in English these days everyone would take Italy as referring to the nation-state. If you want to include San Marino and the Vatican, it becomes the Italian Peninsula. (Does that then lose Sicily and Sardinia...?)

What you do in Italian is your business.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 05:24 PM   #29368
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Bear in mind that the word "Italy" long predates any political state. Romans called "Italia" everything below the Alps, even before the Roman Empire, when Rome was just a bunch of houses along the Tiber (and when in the rest of Europe there was basically nothing and no one). So it may look a nonsense term to you, but it is not.
That's true.
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Because Italy lies on the Italian-, not Balkan Peninsula (which would exclude Trieste as well). If the border is the watershed, then Italy can as well extend to Greece. Why would the border be by Rijeka?

Impossible. It's no more than 117 km at the widest point. You're probably talking about the longest north-south line, but that's not the definition of width (shortest distance from border to border).
Huh? To both points.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 06:19 PM   #29371
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Old December 12th, 2014, 06:24 PM   #29372
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Duly noted.

Friendly request, though: Can capacity be added to the PM boxes?
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Well, what do YOU think about whether Nova Gorica can be considered part of the "Italian geographical area" (in the language of your choice)?
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Well, what do YOU think about whether Nova Gorica can be considered part of the "Italian geographical area" (in the language of your choice)?
If it's part of the "extended" Italian Peninsula, then it's fine with me (not sure about hofburg though ). Koper or Postojna OTOH...

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Huh? To both points.
What do you mean?
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1) How did Greece come into it?
2) "Width" to me implies east-to-west. I would say that Illinois, which is considerably longer north and south than it is east and west, is X miles (or km if you insist) wide by measuring the distance from the eastern border to the westernmost point on the Mississippi side. I'd likewise say that Kansas is X miles wide by measuring it from east to west, even though in that case the east-west measurement is much larger than the north-south.
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Well, this would explain a lot:

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-12-12/m...alace-gardens/
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1) How did Greece come into it?
2) "Width" to me implies east-to-west. I would say that Illinois, which is considerably longer north and south than it is east and west, is X miles (or km if you insist) wide by measuring the distance from the eastern border to the westernmost point on the Mississippi side. I'd likewise say that Kansas is X miles wide by measuring it from east to west, even though in that case the east-west measurement is much larger than the north-south.
In geometry (i.e. a rectangle) usually the lenght is the longer side, while the width is the shorter one. In geographic entities is a bit trickie, since one may consider cardinal directions.
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