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Old December 13th, 2014, 07:36 PM   #29401
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Karlovac lies on the Balkan Peninsula and in the Pannonian Basin at the same time.

There, it's all clear now.
basins are basically the subject of hydrology or hydrogeography, while peninsulas are the subject of orography or morphogeography. The regions might be overlapping. The geography has two major sectors: physical geography and human geography. Each can have different branches (hydrogeography, pedogeography etc.) and we can crate several types of regions for each one.

There can't be nothing like Italian geographical area. But Italian cultural area could be. Also Italian language area.

To be honest, I've never heard the notion of "The Italian peninsula", it has always been "The Apenine peninsula".
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Old December 13th, 2014, 07:43 PM   #29402
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There can't be nothing like Italian geographical area.
We will continue to call it that and sleep well.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 08:58 PM   #29403
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The Italian geographic region exists also in the French Wikipedia:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italie_...9ographique%29
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Old December 13th, 2014, 09:09 PM   #29404
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basins are basically the subject of hydrology or hydrogeography, while peninsulas are the subject of orography or morphogeography. The regions might be overlapping. The geography has two major sectors: physical geography and human geography. Each can have different branches (hydrogeography, pedogeography etc.) and we can crate several types of regions for each one.

There can't be nothing like Italian geographical area. But Italian cultural area could be. Also Italian language area.

To be honest, I've never heard the notion of "The Italian peninsula", it has always been "The Apenine peninsula".
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Old December 13th, 2014, 09:21 PM   #29405
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Since when has Wikipedia become the relevant source? And I have not said there is no Italian geographical region notion, just trying to tell you, that you might be addressed to define it or at least make it clear.

I can't speak neither Italian or French, but the article seems to be about historical region of Italy, or perhaps about the greater extend of Italy and pertinent preceding state units. Or about the regions of Europe that are being taught at Italian schools. But there must be a cornerstone or clear intention. You can't just say, this is Italian region because I think so. It can't be purposeless.

There is a disambiguation at the bottom of the page where different regions are noted (but the whole Europe is not covered). I've tried to open all of them that have English version. Some articles refers to historical regions, some to semi-official regions (like Benelux), some to peninsulas or archipelagos. It seems there is a popular partition of Europe in Italy speaking world, that is being taught at Italians schools. It is okay, each country has its different educational outlines. But you might admit, Slovenian school system don't have to has Italian geographical regions for educational purposes defined.

As for the science, the partitions of Europe are the same at all countries.
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Since when has Wikipedia become the relevant source?
Since when YOU are a relevant source on an Italian matter? I don't put my nose in Slovakian geo-political matters.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 10:00 PM   #29407
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Since when YOU are a relevant source on an Italian matter? I don't put my nose in Slovakian geo-political matters.
Yep, but you italystf actually do does it in Slovenian ones

http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/aKgKK3N_460sv.mp4
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Old December 13th, 2014, 10:08 PM   #29408
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Since when YOU are a relevant source on an Italian matter? I don't put my nose in Slovakian geo-political matters.
So it is geo politics? I thought we talk geography. Does geopolitics have a class in Italian schools?

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Old December 13th, 2014, 10:19 PM   #29409
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So it is geo politics? I thought we talk geography. Does geopolitics have a class in Italian schools?

It became geo-politics when slovenes, slovakians and others in this thread started questioning this term. It wasn't before.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 10:22 PM   #29410
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Yep, but you italystf actually do does it in Slovenian ones

http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/aKgKK3N_460sv.mp4
Because Slovenian geography is relevant in the defintion of the Italian geographical region (since we share a border).
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Old December 13th, 2014, 10:23 PM   #29411
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So it is geo politics? I thought we talk geography. Does geopolitics have a class in Italian schools?

Geography is not just physical geography, also geopolitical. And at school they teach both.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 02:00 AM   #29412
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No part of Slovenia is included in the Italian peninsula
Actually I'd remove the Vipava Valley from this map, because it's cut off from the Italian/Apennine Peninsula by Isonzo, but I'd add the Gorizia Hills (Goriška brda), the Breginj Corner (Breginjski kot) and this.


Btw, the Predil/Predel (I-SLO) and Livigno Pass (I-CH) are interesting:

- Predil Pass: Slovenian side - Mediterranean, "Italian geographic region"; Italian side - Alpine, not "Italian geographic region", not Italian Peninsula

- Livigno Pass: Swiss side - Mediterranean, Italian Peninsula; Italian side - Alpine, not Italian Peninsula

Also, the Livigno Pass (2,315 m) is almost exactly twice as high as the Predil Pass (1,156 m).
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Old December 14th, 2014, 05:31 AM   #29413
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It became geo-politics when slovenes, slovakians and others in this thread started questioning this term. It wasn't before.
So what does this term means then? I still did not hear it. Is it the area that Italy politically projects itself in?
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Old December 14th, 2014, 01:45 PM   #29414
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So what does this term means then? I still did not hear it. Is it the area that Italy politically projects itself in?
This has NOTHING to do with politics, as I stated before, more than once. It simply follows the Alps main watershed. Corsica is included just for historical reasons but it could very well be left out. We call it Italian geographical region, you call it chocolate muffin, no one cares, but it is what it is.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 01:52 PM   #29415
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Old December 14th, 2014, 02:39 PM   #29416
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This has NOTHING to do with politics, as I stated before, more than once. It simply follows the Alps main watershed. Corsica is included just for historical reasons but it could very well be left out. We call it Italian geographical region, you call it chocolate muffin, no one cares, but it is what it is.
Ok, so it is about physical geography.

I thought that the watershed is defined by the rivers and seas.... so how does this Italian geographical region fits in this Alpine watershed?

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The definition of watershed is explained in details in that Wikipedia article, which, by the way, states that there is no consensus among authors about its eastern path. Being myself no geographer, the picture you posted is as good as the definition on wikipedia, with the slight difference that wikipedia can be corrected in real time if wrong... your thoughts can't.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 04:34 PM   #29418
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To be honest, I've never heard the notion of "The Italian peninsula", it has always been "The Apenine peninsula".
And for me it's the reverse. (Well, I've heard of the Apennine Peninsula now...but only in this thread.)
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Old December 14th, 2014, 07:05 PM   #29419
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Guys, why do you get so antagonistic on this thread about the smaller of things?

I don't come on this thread very often, but it seems there is always someone with a chip on their shoulder about some random thing, like on middle school.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 07:36 PM   #29420
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Volodaaaa is a geographer. I thought I'd study it as well. Don't know about Surel.
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