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Old December 18th, 2014, 02:42 AM   #29461
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Old December 18th, 2014, 02:51 AM   #29462
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Are you more concerned about foreign relations than human rights?
It's what the Western world is doing since 1945!
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 02:55 AM   #29463
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Croatia is also member of EU
Yes, but its transition to democracy wasn't painless as in Slovenia, Warsaw Pact countries and the Baltics. It went through a long bloody war and the Tudman regime, who was nationalistic and authoritarian. Croatia held its first free election in 2000, a decade after most of Eastern Europe.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:22 AM   #29464
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It's what the Western world is doing since 1945!
Bullshit! Europe 2014 is more free than ever. Since 1945 all countries in the West have been free untill they torn the wall down in 1989 and everybody is free. And we're taking everybody in who are still oppressed.

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Old December 18th, 2014, 05:12 AM   #29465
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Augusto Pinochet. On the other hand, Salvador Allende, who was democratically elected, was depicted as evil only because he was leftist and anti-imperialist. Even after the end of the cold war this attitude is still continuing, with the USA+EU club strongly criticizing Russia for everything and closing 100 eyes on what nationalistic and theocratic states like Israel or Saudi Arabia do.
Pinochet would torture and kill you if you didn't like him, but Allende would torture and kill you and steal your stuff too I mean to consider "democratic", sure, he was elected, but didn't follow the laws of the country either (ignoring supreme court, etc), he was really dirty.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 05:47 AM   #29466
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Old December 18th, 2014, 12:33 PM   #29467
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Bullshit! Europe 2014 is more free than ever. Since 1945 all countries in the West have been free untill they torn the wall down in 1989 and everybody is free. And we're taking everybody in who are still oppressed.
I mean that the West is using a double standard to consider dictatorial regimes in the third world. There are worse dictatorships (because they are politically and economically unfavourable to the West) and "more tolerable" dictatorships (because they are politically end economically friendly with the West. But both kill and oppress their own people. In this sense, the West is more concerned about international relations than human rights.
Look at the "axis of evil", invented by G.W. Bush. It includes countries that are unfavourable to the USA, while other terrible regimes like Saudi Arabia are left out.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 12:39 PM   #29468
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Pinochet would torture and kill you if you didn't like him, but Allende would torture and kill you and steal your stuff too I mean to consider "democratic", sure, he was elected, but didn't follow the laws of the country either (ignoring supreme court, etc), he was really dirty.
I don't know much about Chilean history but Allende government is often quoted as a rare example of "democratic socialism", in opposition with Soviet-style regimes. Obviously it's not a fact to be taken as 100% true, as there are some nostalgic commies that would even defend Kim Sung!
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Old December 18th, 2014, 01:41 PM   #29469
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I mean that the West is using a double standard to consider dictatorial regimes in the third world. There are worse dictatorships (because they are politically and economically unfavourable to the West) and "more tolerable" dictatorships (because they are politically end economically friendly with the West. But both kill and oppress their own people. In this sense, the West is more concerned about international relations than human rights.
Look at the "axis of evil", invented by G.W. Bush. It includes countries that are unfavourable to the USA, while other terrible regimes like Saudi Arabia are left out.
And to be honest, I am little bit scared about the crisis in Russia. Not because of me being kind of pro-Russian, but because of a dog in corner, that can seriously harm you.

In Slovakia there are many Roma settlements built illegally on someone's property. There has been a voices to radically tear them down, but someone said it would be stupid. A Gypsy without home, who has lost everything, is much more dangerous than "friendly" Gypsy in "your garden". Sad but true. And the same goes for Putin.

People in Russia love him. And all actions towards him are perceived as the attack to Russian sovereignty which increases his popularity. Believe me or not, I live in Eastern Europe and Russia is even more eastern.

Currently we have one-party government. It has been one of the strongest party in (short) Slovak history. The more had opposition attacked (sometimes they left out serious things the party could have been accused of and been pulling out pure stupidities), the better results for the party in following elections arose. Unfortunately, Slovak opposition is now in ruins and, believe me or not, the governmental party started slowly crumbling.

I don't say sanctions were bad. But kicking dead clown does not solve anything. People in Russia must be given a chance to realize who is guilty of current situation not to be part of unstable situation, where Putin (controlling all media in Russia) is the only god, the only lighthouse.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 02:04 PM   #29470
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People in Russia love Putin because during his government Russia had a big economical growth, after decades of stagnation during Soviet years and the terrible economical crisis during Gorbachev\Yelstin period. Russians never experienced democracy in their history and probably don't give importance to it. If America invades a country, in America the pacifist movement will get stronger. If Russia does the same, the government will get even more popular support. However also Russian economy is shrinking in these days.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 02:16 PM   #29471
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Old December 18th, 2014, 02:24 PM   #29472
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People in Russia love Putin because during his government Russia had a big economical growth, after decades of stagnation during Soviet years and the terrible economical crisis during Gorbachev\Yelstin period. Russians never experienced democracy in their history and probably don't give importance to it. If America invades a country, in America the pacifist movement will get stronger. If Russia does the same, the government will get even more popular support. However also Russian economy is shrinking in these days.
Of course, there is no one alive to remember times without one strong leading man. All Russians always had the "Father of the land". We should be very careful, some actions might lead to increased coherence and the WW2 scenario is here. Now with nuclear weapons. Russia must be punished, but other way. Difficult situation for NATO. I don't know what would I do. Russian expansion must be stopped on one hand, but Russia should not be provoked on other hand. It is like walking on the thin ice.
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And to be honest, I am little bit scared about the crisis in Russia. Not because of me being kind of pro-Russian, but because of a dog in corner, that can seriously harm you.

In Slovakia there are many Roma settlements built illegally on someone's property. There has been a voices to radically tear them down, but someone said it would be stupid. A Gypsy without home, who has lost everything, is much more dangerous than "friendly" Gypsy in "your garden". Sad but true. And the same goes for Putin.

People in Russia love him. And all actions towards him are perceived as the attack to Russian sovereignty which increases his popularity. Believe me or not, I live in Eastern Europe and Russia is even more eastern.

Currently we have one-party government. It has been one of the strongest party in (short) Slovak history. The more had opposition attacked (sometimes they left out serious things the party could have been accused of and been pulling out pure stupidities), the better results for the party in following elections arose. Unfortunately, Slovak opposition is now in ruins and, believe me or not, the governmental party started slowly crumbling.

I don't say sanctions were bad. But kicking dead clown does not solve anything. People in Russia must be given a chance to realize who is guilty of current situation not to be part of unstable situation, where Putin (controlling all media in Russia) is the only god, the only lighthouse.
I'm generally trying to avoid this topic - the whole thing makes me nervous. But I have to say this assessment seems largely fair. Although I think the question of guilt for the current situation is more complicated, and it's sort of beside the point at this point anyway. No matter who created the current situation, what's important at this point is getting out of it peacefully.
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Stray thought - just got a chance to look at the paper...

Obama said yesterday (unless it was other politicians and the like on TV last night...) that the policy of isolating Cuba hadn't worked. So we're isolating Russia?
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Old December 19th, 2014, 02:56 AM   #29477
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I still didn't decorate my Christmas tree.I will probably do that with my familly some time between 25th and 30th December.
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