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Old December 19th, 2014, 04:07 PM   #29481
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Old December 19th, 2014, 04:24 PM   #29482
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Hectometer value 66.6 is omitted in the Netherlands sometimes. The poles with that value tend to get stolen.


hectometerpaal 66,6 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr
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Old December 19th, 2014, 04:27 PM   #29483
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_numbered_666
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Old December 19th, 2014, 04:41 PM   #29484
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Old December 19th, 2014, 05:03 PM   #29485
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The road 666 in Slovenia is really the "devil's road":
http://www.zon.si/news/index/666
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Old December 19th, 2014, 05:08 PM   #29486
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So (Chris & compatriots), is it "speculaas" or "speculoos"? And a co-worker brought in Spekulatius cookies this morning, which seem to be something completely different.

Also, I have a jar of this at home: http://www.traderjoes.com/fearless-flyer/article/1647
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Old December 19th, 2014, 05:10 PM   #29487
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https://goo.gl/maps/f339C . It has been stolen several times (It's missing from the September 2012 pic) so now it's at the crash barrier. Anyway, this should be placed several kilometers further up the road, since I discovered A-2, at least from Ariza to near Zaragoza, is actually 7 kilometers shorter than posted.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 02:38 AM   #29488
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Demonstration of the Day. (Well, week, but I just found out about this.)

http://www.20minutes.fr/societe/1500...s-alsace-libre

In German yet!

This is because the French Parliament has been playing with maps.



Lifted from DeKlauw in the Dutch forum*, because I can't find a better one.

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Old December 20th, 2014, 11:24 AM   #29489
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why not , centre + ile de france and bretagne + loire ???
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Old December 20th, 2014, 11:26 AM   #29490
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https://www.educacion.gob.es/documen...ones/55_13.jpg
murcia+valencia+baleares , madrid + la mancha , galicia + asturias + cantabria , pais vasco + rioja + navarra...
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Old December 20th, 2014, 03:47 PM   #29491
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There's a lot of traffic at this hour on the 'Gastarbeiter' route. In Austria on A1, S1 & A4 it's full of cars with people working abroad and going home. A lot of STAUs and slow traffic came together with this.

I managed to cross Austria on a weird route (I'll post that tomorrow), and now I'm heading to Hungary.

I understood there are already delays at HU-RO and HU-SRB border crossings.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 04:55 PM   #29492
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Guys, how do you celebrate Christmas (if do)? With who? When? Let's talk about Christmas.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 05:09 PM   #29493
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why not , centre + ile de france and bretagne + loire ???
Because Île-de-France is pretty big on itself, and contains Paris and its suburbs. It is a very powerful region in a context of a centralized state. It is different than any others in that is heavily urbanized and built-out. I don't think it would be any good idea to merge Paris with one of the other regions at all..
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Old December 20th, 2014, 07:49 PM   #29494
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There's a lot of traffic at this hour on the 'Gastarbeiter' route. In Austria on A1, S1 & A4 it's full of cars with people working abroad and going home. A lot of STAUs and slow traffic came together with this.

I managed to cross Austria on a weird route (I'll post that tomorrow), and now I'm heading to Hungary.

I understood there are already delays at HU-RO and HU-SRB border crossings.
I've just arrived home from the M5 and it was quite busy indeed.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 07:51 PM   #29495
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Another map of France, featuring "Noord-Nauw van Kales"!

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Departe...rijk#Nummering
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Old December 20th, 2014, 08:13 PM   #29496
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I've never heard of 'Noord-Nauw van Kales' before. Nobody uses that forced translation.

NL Wikipedia is quite adamant about following the 'language union' policy, even if its usage is clearly outdated and not in common use anymore. In this case I wondered if if was ever used commonly, especially because it's not a historic name (it was established in 1960).
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Old December 20th, 2014, 08:19 PM   #29497
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"Language union" = the Taalunie?

Well, how often does the name of the region come up in Dutch unless you're in West Flanders? The actual stretch of water, though.... What do you call that? In English, it's the Straits of Dover, but I wouldn't dream of calling that region of France "North-Straits of Dover." And I guess it'll need a new name anyway.

EDIT: At the risk of boring people who don't know Dutch, check this out: http://taaladvies.net/taal/aardrijks..._namen/land/FR
They recommend "Nauw van Kales" in Flanders and "Nauw van Calais" in the Netherlands and don't address the administrative region as such at all. And Nice is in the département of...Zee-Alpen!

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Old December 20th, 2014, 08:30 PM   #29498
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Kales is (at least in the Netherlands) a totally uncommon name, it's widely known as 'Calais' (for the Eurotunnel). I think most Dutch don't even know Kales would be Calais. So the 'Nauw van Calais' is used, not 'Nauw van Kales', though it's usually just referred to as 'Het Kanaal' (The Channel).

Quite a number of geographic places in that list are very obscure, either in Dutch or in French. Rede van Brest, Straat van Bonifacio, Grajische Alpen?
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Old December 20th, 2014, 08:39 PM   #29499
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I have somewhere a mid-80s Michelin yellow series regional road map of Brittany on which one side is labeled

Bretagne
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(and the other is Bretagne, Brittany). I assumed that Bretanje was the Dutch spelling but I've never seen it anywhere else. Even on that list.
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Bretagne remains Bretagne in Dutch. Brittanny sounds weird for us, because that's the name we use for the Great Britain (Groot)-Brittannië.
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