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Old December 26th, 2014, 09:09 PM   #29561
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Perhaps not in one of the richest cities of the country
three grades of lies:
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Old December 26th, 2014, 09:27 PM   #29562
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a madrid street this christmas , where is the spanish crisis ?

http://estaticos.elmundo.es/assets/m...3972702820.jpg
You don't have to pay anything just to be on the streets.
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Old December 26th, 2014, 09:51 PM   #29563
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Verso, no pictures from Belgrade? Some impressions?
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Old December 26th, 2014, 11:50 PM   #29564
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three grades of lies:
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Madrid is one of the richest and most developed regions in Spain, you only have to check any kind of indicator (economic, technological, working, social, etc.). But it's obvious that it has lived (and still living its effects) a huge crisis like the rest of the country.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 12:34 AM   #29565
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Perhaps not in one of the richest cities of the country
I was in Macy's in Philadelphia a few Sundays ago and it was mobbed, so at first I thought, well, the economy must be doing all right, but then I realized it was for the Christmas light show.

How many of those people are actually shopping?
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Old December 27th, 2014, 01:05 AM   #29566
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The number of people around for shopping isn't a valid indicator for the crisis. The average amount of money spent by them, instead, is.
If people have less money they will still wander around shopping centres. But instead of buying like crazy everything they like they will spend more time looking at the windows and buying only what they needed after have compared prices in different shops. But still you will see huge crowds around shopping area, that may give a false idea of prosperity.

Anyway, volodaaaa is right about statistics. The main problems with it are:
- the difficulties in collecting reliable series of data
- the comparability of series of data collected with different criteria (by different countries, in different times, by different organizations)
- the presence of extreme values that are not representative but highly influence the average (if the median isn't used instead)
- for economical statistics, the difference between nominal and real (i.e. adjusted for inflation) amount in historical series.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 01:45 PM   #29567
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benches antihomeless for christmas in angouleme (france)

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wtf is that?
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Old December 27th, 2014, 02:14 PM   #29568
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Anyway, volodaaaa is right about statistics. The main problems with it are:
- the difficulties in collecting reliable series of data
- the comparability of series of data collected with different criteria (by diffeyfrent countries, in different times, by different organizations)
- the presence of extreme values that are not representative but highly influence the average (if the median isn't used instead)
- for economical statistics, the difference between nominal and real (i.e. adjusted for inflation) amount in historical series.
Of course. I can relate. I live in the sixth richest region in Europe (according to nominal GDP per capita)
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Old December 27th, 2014, 07:16 PM   #29569
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Of course. I can relate. I live in the sixth richest region in Europe (according to nominal GDP per capita)
That's a coincidence. I was just defending your city to a statement of some Belgian guy who said that you can see the difference between rich Vienna and poor Bratislava. I said that I didn't agree, that Bratislava has developed itself to a modern country with a very good infrastructure and that Vienna is somehow turning in to a bit of a slum like many Austrian city's, including Salzburg and Innsbruck.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 07:38 PM   #29570
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Old December 27th, 2014, 09:49 PM   #29571
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Verso, no pictures from Belgrade? Some impressions?
I made some photos, but I'm not the kind of person to create a thread about it, I don't have that many anyway. Impressions? Very positive. Belgrade was a pleasant surprise to me. I thought it was overrated (there're many Yugonostalgics in Slovenia, and Balkan people like boasting :P), but it isn't, at least not to me (it helps a lot, if you speak Serbian and read Cyrillic though). It's not as clean as Central- and Western European capitals (façades could be nicer), but it's still a beautiful city, with many impressive buildings and monuments (nicely decorated in December at night) and with a perfect location at the confluence of Sava into the Danube (it was interesting to compare Sava in Ljubljana and Belgrade ). Last, but not least, people are great. Despite being poorer than Central- and Western Europeans, they're very friendly, open and down-to-earth (and not just in conversation with you, even just observing them from afar). I particularly liked Skadarlija (old street) where we had a great dinner, and we were drinking and singing Serbian songs like in old times. I don't know what more to say right now, but you can ask me, if you have any questions. Ok, here is one photo of the old town from Branko's Bridge over Sava:


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Old December 27th, 2014, 10:11 PM   #29572
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Fixed.

EDIT: I was stopped at a red light once on my way to Mom's when I spotted this place:
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.5...,284.8,,2,5.37
In a town my grandmother lived in for a while, by the way.

I'll try to find a better view.

EDIT 2: What I was trying to find was the window next to this one. Same info (I assume), ale po polsku: http://foodio54.com/photos/european-...nville-1473361
Just took Mom to check out this place. Being able to read Polish would have been helpful. They had lots of packaged food products labeled in Polish, Polish (-American) newspapers and magazines, homemade pierogi....
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Old December 27th, 2014, 10:30 PM   #29573
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wtf is that?
the conservative mayor of Angoulême has equipped benches around the city with those cages to prevent homeless people to occupy them during the winter
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Old December 27th, 2014, 10:36 PM   #29574
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three grades of lies:
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2. greater lies
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What I meant was that you can find a subgroup in almost any larger group that behaves in a totally different way as the others do. You can't really describe a whole country after seeing only one photo of it. To prove my point I present you two pictures.

One from the USA:


And one from Bangladesh:


No photoshop or alteration, both represent the truth (from Detroit and from the city center of Dhaka). But these alone don't give an accurate and detailed description of the two countries.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #29575
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the conservative mayor of Angoulême has equipped benches around the city with those cages to prevent homeless people to occupy them during the winter
So if I'm not homeless how do I use this bench if I feel tired from walking?
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the conservative mayor of Angoulême has equipped benches around the city with those cages to prevent homeless people to occupy them during the winter
But doesn't it mean that no one will be able to use them?
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Old December 27th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #29577
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So if I'm not homeless how do I use this bench if I feel tired from walking?
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But doesn't it mean that no one will be able to use them?
i suppose that he probably hypothesizes that non-homeless people don't use benches during the winter :dunno.
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Old December 28th, 2014, 12:41 AM   #29578
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The explanation:

http://rt.com/news/217679-france-homeless-bench-cages/

(This is why God invented Google's "search by image" function. :-P)
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Old December 28th, 2014, 12:51 AM   #29579
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Ah RT, our favorite source of Rossiskoye propagandskaya

I can't even remember the last time I sat on a public bench.
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Old December 28th, 2014, 06:39 AM   #29580
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Well, why would RT make that up?
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