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Old January 2nd, 2015, 10:10 AM   #29701
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 11:42 AM   #29702
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Neither does each region or province of Italy.

When the European Union is a single nation-state, that comparison will be relevant.
I think this is the ultimate goal. You have to start somewhere
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 12:25 PM   #29703
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Yeah. Unfortunately, minor things are being unified while the important ones are left national. There is no need for unified gender ratio in national councils (it is not even democratic nor reasonable) while unifirm traffic rules should be compulsory.
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 01:48 PM   #29704
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 03:54 PM   #29705
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I think this is the ultimate goal. You have to start somewhere
Yeah, well. None of my business but are the citizens of the countries involved on the same page about that? (Not about the euro but about the "ultimate goal"?)

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Old January 2nd, 2015, 03:58 PM   #29706
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Yeah, well. None of my business but are the citizens of the countries involved on the same page about that? (Not about the euro but about the "ultimate goal"?)

Happy New Year, Spinoza.
Happy new Year to you, sir

People can vote anti-europe parties. If they don't, I guess they're ok with it.
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 04:04 PM   #29707
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Europeans (except Swiss, Norwegians, Serbs...) can speak to that better than I can, but I'd think not voting for an "anti-Europe" party is a more reliable indicator of whether they're okay with where the E.U. is now than with the ultimate goal. (And in various countries you'd have the question of whether a given party counts as "anti-Europe" - the French don't vote for parties that actually want to take France out of the E.U., but give them a chance to vote in a referendum on, say, a new European constitution, they vote against it. (And are then ignored by their leaders.) But that's a whole can of worms.
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 04:16 PM   #29708
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Well, as long as Britain and France are inside EU, there's no chance for "United States of Europe" anyway...
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 04:21 PM   #29709
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Would a European Union that didn't include France really be European? I mean, France actually is in Europe. Sort of like Switzerland and Norway....
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 04:32 PM   #29710
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Well, as long as Britain and France are inside EU, there's no chance for "United States of Europe" anyway...
Good. That is what I like to hear
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 04:35 PM   #29711
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Would a European Union that didn't include France really be European? I mean, France actually is in Europe. Sort of like Switzerland and Norway....
As much as a "United States of America" without Alberta or Chihuahua is still "United States of America"...
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 04:40 PM   #29712
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Fair enough (IF you subscribe to the five-continent model as opposed to one that recognizes "North America" and "South America" as separate continents.... Anyhow, people in Alberta NEVER, EVER describe themselves as "Americans" or being in "America." That's their neighbo(u)rs to the south.)

But you'd have to stop short-handing...stop saying "Europe" when you mean the E.U. Actually, you should do that already - given Switzerland and Norway - but no one asked my opinion on that.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 02:40 AM   #29713
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Happy New Year guys!
I didn't had time for SSC,but in the next 17 days i will have a lot of time for motorways
Soon i'll "celebrate" my anniversary on this great forum.I love you guys for being tolerant with me and for being support.That's alll for now !
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 07:35 PM   #29714
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I was thinking whether EU should have a reciprocity policy towards foreigners driving in EU with non-EU licenses.

For instance, to the extent of my knowledge non-Chinese subjects are not allowed to operate motor cars on public streets in PR China with foreign driver's licenses. Period. So I couldn't go there and rent a car and drive around. Shouldn't EU apply the same restrictions for Chinese nationals, as in forbidding them from driving in EU with Chinese licenses? I was thinking the same about other private activities like real estate purchase as well.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 09:39 PM   #29715
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Heavy snowfall here...

As for EU. The idea is great, current policy not. Not every critic of the EU is automatically a nationalist. I don't like the current out-of-reality tellings that European politicians provide.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 09:43 PM   #29716
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Pouring here. Supposed to be quite warm tomorrow (67F/19.5C) and quite cold (highs below freezing) by mid-week.

As for the EU, that's not my problem business.

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Old January 3rd, 2015, 09:47 PM   #29717
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I was thinking whether EU should have a reciprocity policy towards foreigners driving in EU with non-EU licenses.

For instance, to the extent of my knowledge non-Chinese subjects are not allowed to operate motor cars on public streets in PR China with foreign driver's licenses. Period. So I couldn't go there and rent a car and drive around. Shouldn't EU apply the same restrictions for Chinese nationals, as in forbidding them from driving in EU with Chinese licenses? I was thinking the same about other private activities like real estate purchase as well.
The principe of reciprocity in international relations was more widely applied in the past, as growing human rights attention in democratic countries pushed to giving the same rights to everyone. If every country would stricly apply the principe of reciprocity, citizens of dictatorial countries wouldn't have their rights protected in any country of the world!
In the case of Chinese driving licenses in Europe, however, the application of reciprocity wouldn't violate any basic human right, as Chinese residents could still get a driving license from the country where they reside (in Italy one can do the theory test in another language).
I remember that in Croatia, until 2008 or so, there was still a law from Tito years that explicity forbade Italian citizens (!) to purchase any real estate in Croatia! It was issued to prevent Istrian refugees (those that weren't killed in foibe or Goli Otok) to return back to their homeland. Obviously they had to abolish that law to join the EU. We didn't forbade Croats (or, before, Yugoslavs) nationals to purchase real estate in Italy, though.
I've read a ministerial circular from the 1960s that explicity forbade Rumanian and Bulgarian nationals to travel freely in Italy, as Italian citizens weren't allowed to travel freely in the two socialist republics. In those years, the only Rumanians and Bulgarians allowed to travel in Western Europe were those closely involved with the Party.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 09:56 PM   #29718
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Pouring here. Supposed to be quite warm tomorrow (67F/19.5C) and quite cold (highs below freezing) by mid-week.

As for the EU, that's not my problem. I mean business.
(How does one do a strikethrough?)
Put 's' in braces (those cubic brackets)
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Got it. Thanks.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 10:03 PM   #29720
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I was thinking whether EU should have a reciprocity policy towards foreigners driving in EU with non-EU licenses.

For instance, to the extent of my knowledge non-Chinese subjects are not allowed to operate motor cars on public streets in PR China with foreign driver's licenses. Period. So I couldn't go there and rent a car and drive around. Shouldn't EU apply the same restrictions for Chinese nationals, as in forbidding them from driving in EU with Chinese licenses? I was thinking the same about other private activities like real estate purchase as well.
The Chinese policy is fundamentally wrong (as is nearly everything in that place) but we shouldn't try and re-invent the wheel, only push for the recognition of the UN Convention on Road Traffic like any other reasonable country (this implies use of an international driving permit (translation))

The EU has a better system internally with its standardised licenses (similar in spirit to the US or Canadian system), especially if you can convince the cop your name is Mr. Jazdy, but it is really only suitable for inside the EU.

As for real estate purchases, LOL good luck in that hole
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