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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:25 PM   #29941
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That sound you hear is grumbling in Austria....
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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:34 PM   #29942
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I give classes in celestial navigation as my hobby. (Sextants, Nautical Almanac, spherical trigonometry, etc). One exercise on how to cope with the date line is to calculate the timezone difference of Hawaii (UTC-10) and Eastern Kiribati (UTC+14). The students are usually rather surprised about the answer: The difference is 24 hours, thus meaning they share the same wall clock time, but Kiribati is one day ahead.
I'm very against these time zones > |12|. All time zones should be between -12 till +12.

Kiribati should just scale back to UTC-10, and American Samoa to UTC-11.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:52 PM   #29943
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Why does it matter if Kiribati is +14?

I was supposed to study today, but I looked out the window and saw snow, in the hills, so I drove out of town instead. It's sleeting in town now too.

Last winter was very unsnowy so I'm way too happy about there little amount of snow in the hills.



I got a bit blinded at one point:

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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:13 PM   #29944
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Where were those pictures taken? It looks like Slovenia, with all that forest
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:22 PM   #29945
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It's Wales.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:24 PM   #29946
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same here, with almost the same words.
(the only difference is in the 1b example (tali) - that word is here used for melting the steel for instance, not for the snow)
You really say "snijeg kopni"?

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That sound you hear is grumbling in Austria....
We can talk about the German language. For example, the Slovenian variation of it. (yes, we can actually talk about "Slovenian German", because we wilfully use many German words in our own way - apologies to the Association for the German Language :P)
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:33 PM   #29947
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Why does it matter if Kiribati is +14?
Because it can create a time difference above 24 hours (from a place located at -11 or westwards).
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:44 PM   #29948
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It's Wales.
Nice

I was just looking (at Wikipedia) informations about Wales- Cymru

The modern Welsh name for themselves is Cymry, and Cymru is the Welsh name for Wales. These words (both of which are pronounced [ˈkəm.rɨ]) are descended from the Brythonic word combrogi, meaning "fellow-countrymen". The use of the word Cymry as a self-designation derives from the post-Roman Era relationship of the Welsh with the Brythonic-speaking peoples of northern England and southern Scotland, the peoples of "Yr Hen Ogledd" (English: The Old North). It emphasised a perception that the Welsh and the "Men of the North" were one people, different from other peoples. In particular, the term was not applied to the Cornish or the Breton peoples, who are of similar heritage, culture, and language to both the Welsh and the Men of the North. The word came into use as a self-description probably before the 7th century.It is attested in a praise poem to Cadwallon ap Cadfan (Moliant Cadwallon, by Afan Ferddig) c. 633. In Welsh literature, the word Cymry was used throughout the Middle Ages to describe the Welsh, though the older, more generic term Brythoniaid continued to be used to describe any of the Britonnic peoples (including the Welsh) and was the more common literary term until c. 1100. Thereafter Cymry prevailed as a reference to the Welsh. Until c. 1560 the word was spelt Kymry or Cymry, regardless of whether it referred to the people or their homeland.


Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations. Llywelyn ap Gruffudd's death in 1282 marked the completion of Edward I of England's conquest of Wales, though Owain Glyndŵr briefly restored independence to what was to become modern Wales, in the early 15th century. The whole of Wales was annexed by England and incorporated within the English legal system under the Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542. Distinctive Welsh politics developed in the 19th century. Welsh Liberalism, exemplified in the early 20th century by Lloyd George, was displaced by the growth of socialism and the Labour Party. Welsh national feeling grew over the century; Plaid Cymru was formed in 1925 and the Welsh Language Society in 1962. Established under the Government of Wales Act 1998, the National Assembly for Wales holds responsibility for a range of devolved policy matters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales

Your history looks very similar to Slovenian (always in a struggle to survive in sense of preserving language and culture)
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:49 PM   #29949
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I'm not actually Welsh, well not properly yet, I came here for university. But I can speak Welsh better than a lot of Welsh people in English speaking areas of Wales now . Which isn't saying much, because I can't talk for that long without running out of things I can say, 5 mins maybe, if it's with vocabulary I know.

I've shocked a few people mid-conversation when they find out I'm not Welsh, they think I'm from somewhere in South Wales and learnt a bit in school.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:56 PM   #29950
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I've shocked a few people mid-conversation when they find out I'm not Welsh, they think I'm from somewhere in South Wales and learnt a bit in school.
So you can pass as someone from Newport or Swansea then.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:59 PM   #29951
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So you can pass as someone from Newport or Swansea then.
Until I speak in English.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:17 PM   #29952
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What do you sound like then? :-)
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:23 PM   #29953
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You really say "snijeg kopni"?
yes. i mean, not me, it sounds somehow arhaic to me, but you can hear that expression quite often, nothing strange with it.

why do you ask it?
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:41 PM   #29954
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What do you sound like then? :-)
Like I'm from South East England. I probably had a London accent until I went to school, but I got sent to school in a middle-class neighbourhood a few tube stops away, so I can sound very Hugh Grant if I want to. My Mum is Portuguese so I talk more BBC to her (and to strangers) than to my Dad.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:49 PM   #29955
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I can see where this is going. Oh deary me...
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I'm very against these time zones > |12|. All time zones should be between -12 till +12.

Kiribati should just scale back to UTC-10, and American Samoa to UTC-11.
Independent countries can use any standard time they want. Like UTC+62:12. Or like Russia changing the time scheme every few years.

Kiribati was earlier UTC+12, UTC-11 and UTC-10. It is somewhat inconvenient if the date line cuts the country into two.

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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:55 PM   #29957
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I can see where this is going. Oh deary me...
It's already been there. Read back a bit.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 10:08 PM   #29958
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Independent countries can use any standard time they want. Like UTC+62:12. Or like Russia changing the time scheme every few years.

Kiribati was earlier UTC+12, UTC-11 and UTC-10. It is somewhat inconvenient if the date line cuts the country into two.
They can also opt for a hexadecimal numbering system, for Persian measurement system and for non-standard screw and nail sets...
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Old January 13th, 2015, 10:09 PM   #29959
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And since that wouldn't affect you....

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Anyhow, look at the number of pages and posts on this thread, everyone.
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And since that wouldn't affect you....
But here is the thing: we live in a connected World. The ability to communicate and trade efficiently is one of the paramount tenets of modern life on a global society. That is why standardization of many issues such as languages, measurements, scientific definitions, industrial components, data protocols (gosh!, without it the Internet wouldn't exist as we have it, period), travel documents are a key feature of which.
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