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Old January 13th, 2015, 10:24 PM   #29961
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Granted (new page!), it would be silly to adopt a base-six numbering system or whatever, but I don't see why they should put the abstract notion of not being more than 12 hours off GMT ahead of the very real inconvenience to them of being on both sides of the date line.

(And, not to beat a dead horse, but there are some very large countries with non-conformist measurement systems that still managed to put men on the moon and invent the Internet.)
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Old January 13th, 2015, 11:00 PM   #29962
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But here is the thing: we live in a connected World. The ability to communicate and trade efficiently is one of the paramount tenets of modern life on a global society. That is why standardization of many issues such as languages, measurements, scientific definitions, industrial components, data protocols (gosh!, without it the Internet wouldn't exist as we have it, period), travel documents are a key feature of which.
So, what is the problem you would like to solve?
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Old January 13th, 2015, 11:07 PM   #29963
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Parts of Kiribati being more than 12 hours off GMT, apparently. The fact that solving that would put parts of the country nearly 24 hours off other parts of the same country is apparently unimportant.

(Very Eurocentric point of view, actually... )
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Old January 13th, 2015, 11:31 PM   #29964
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yes. i mean, not me, it sounds somehow arhaic to me, but you can hear that expression quite often, nothing strange with it.

why do you ask it?
Because I've only ever heard "snijeg se topi".

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I'm very against these time zones > |12|. All time zones should be between -12 till +12.

Kiribati should just scale back to UTC-10, and American Samoa to UTC-11.
One of rare occasions where I agree with Suburbanist. Kiribati IMO doesn't belong to our "time-measuring system" (or whatever you call it), just like Saudi Arabia (which is still in the 14th century), even though the difference is just 1 or 2 hours. They can have it if they want though. But, if we wanna know the time in Saudi Arabia, we convert it to our time, so that we don't have to think about the 14th century. Converting the time in Kiribati would be kind of silly though. It's just an exception, I guess.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:03 AM   #29965
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Because I've only ever heard "snijeg se topi".

One of rare occasions where I agree with Suburbanist. Kiribati IMO doesn't belong to our "time-measuring system" (or whatever you call it), just like Saudi Arabia (which is still in the 14th century), even though the difference is just 1 or 2 hours. They can have it if they want though. But, if we wanna know the time in Saudi Arabia, we convert it to our time, so that we don't have to think about the 14th century. Converting the time in Kiribati would be kind of silly though. It's just an exception, I guess.
What's the issue with Saudi Arabia timezone? It's a regular UTC+3. There are many strange time zones ending in 1/2 or 3/4.
But the most absurd is this.
Large map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Zones_Map.png
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:09 AM   #29966
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yes. i mean, not me, it sounds somehow arhaic to me, but you can hear that expression quite often, nothing strange with it.

why do you ask it?
Does not it mean "snow is piling"?

Btw. to keep the topic up: what do you think about this regular calendar?
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:13 AM   #29967
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I don't mind that new calendar.I think that this idea should work very well.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:14 AM   #29968
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Срећна Нова година (Srećna Nova godina)!
С Новым Годом (S novim godom)!
Щасливого Нового Року / З Новим роком (z novym rokom)!

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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:32 AM   #29969
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Does not it mean "snow is piling"?

Btw. to keep the topic up: what do you think about this regular calendar?
More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...Fixed_Calendar
It also included a "leap day" every 4 years between June and Sol.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:35 AM   #29970
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More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...Fixed_Calendar
It also included a "leap day" every 4 years between June and Sol.

The "major disadvantage" of the system is the existence of 13 Fridays 13th
yo dawg, I heard you are superstitious
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:38 AM   #29971
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Because I've only ever heard "snijeg se topi".

One of rare occasions where I agree with Suburbanist. Kiribati IMO doesn't belong to our "time-measuring system" (or whatever you call it), just like Saudi Arabia (which is still in the 14th century), even though the difference is just 1 or 2 hours. They can have it if they want though. But, if we wanna know the time in Saudi Arabia, we convert it to our time, so that we don't have to think about the 14th century. Converting the time in Kiribati would be kind of silly though. It's just an exception, I guess.
What should they do - move the country slightly to the left?

(Gratuitous Fawlty Towers reference there.)
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:40 AM   #29972
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What's the issue with Saudi Arabia timezone? It's a regular UTC+3. There are many strange time zones ending in 1/2 or 3/4.
But the most absurd is this.
Large map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Zones_Map.png
Makes perfect sense: it's midway between Perth time and Adelaide time.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:43 AM   #29973
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:57 AM   #29974
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But here is the thing: we live in a connected World. The ability to communicate and trade efficiently is one of the paramount tenets of modern life on a global society. That is why standardization of many issues such as languages, measurements, scientific definitions, industrial components, data protocols (gosh!, without it the Internet wouldn't exist as we have it, period), travel documents are a key feature of which.
Elimination of tariff and non-tariff trade barriers is much more important. For the time, your phone will automatically adjust

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(And, not to beat a dead horse, but there are some very large countries with non-conformist measurement systems that still managed to put men on the moon and invent the Internet.)
except... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter
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Old January 14th, 2015, 01:19 AM   #29975
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Makes perfect sense: it's midway between Perth time and Adelaide time.
This time zone includes only few square kms along the Eyre Highway, in Western Australia near the border with Southern Australia. It's strange a time zone for a such small area. It would be like having a special time zone just for Haparanda or Nadlac (border between UTC+1 and UTC+2).
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Old January 14th, 2015, 01:34 AM   #29976
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Kiribati could just move do the other side of the International Date Line, having UTC-12, UTC-11 and UTC-10 as its time zones. Problem solved.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 02:43 AM   #29977
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That's what comes of trying to have it both ways. If they'd just stuck to traditional measures, that wouldn't have happened.

Which somehow reminds me that the last time I was in Montreal, the soft-drink machine in my hotel was promising drinks that were "froid - 37F.'
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Old January 14th, 2015, 02:44 AM   #29978
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This time zone includes only few square kms along the Eyre Highway, in Western Australia near the border with Southern Australia. It's strange a time zone for a such small area. It would be like having a special time zone just for Haparanda or Nadlac (border between UTC+1 and UTC+2).
I was joking. About it making perfect sense, I mean. But I assume that was the reasoning....
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Kiribati could just move do the other side of the International Date Line, having UTC-12, UTC-11 and UTC-10 as its time zones. Problem solved.
Fair enough.

Hmmm.. Is Kiribati the place that changed its time (probably moving across the Date Line in the other direction) so that it would be the first place in the world to enter the 21st century?
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Old January 14th, 2015, 03:07 AM   #29980
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Talking of time zones, are Ceuta and Melilla on Spanish or Moroccan time?

EDIT: And I didn't know Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon had a time difference with Newfoundland, and even if you told me it did I'd expect them to be on Atlantic Time (UTC -4) rather than out on their own.
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