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Old January 28th, 2015, 12:08 AM   #30281
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http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_article_depth

The Dutch Wikipedia is the third largest, but only 106th out of 129 in article depth. They say about 60% of all articles are generated by bots. It also scores 91st in edits per article
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Old January 28th, 2015, 12:25 AM   #30282
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Heck, Spanish Wikipedia is far better, ranking 14th out of 129 Wikipedias that have more of 10,000 articles, even if it has about half-a-million articles less than the Dutch one.
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In my experience, non-English Wikipedias are most useful when looking for local information. For example the German Wikipedia with articles about something German.
Same for me, except I mostly use... Chinese Wikipedia . It's literally written in Chinese, but with Google Translator you can always have a laugh.

PS: Dutch Wikipedia may be 3rd in number of articles, but still lacks one for the rarest disease of which I've met with a case: the Pearson syndrome. Only five Wikipedias have article about it: English, French, German, Polish and, why not, Spanish!
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Old January 28th, 2015, 12:32 AM   #30283
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I mostly use the English Wikipedia. The Dutch Wikipedia has a very high quantity of articles, but it is of poor quality, a very large amount of articles are produced by bots or are stubs. In addition, it is often outdated and there is a severe lack of quality control. Just yesterday I found an article called 'economy of the Netherlands' that listed the GDP in euros while the figure was dollars. That's a $ 200 billion error. I've read that the Netherlands has the highest proportion of non-native English speakers that primarely use the English Wikipedia.

In my experience, non-English Wikipedias are most useful when looking for local information. For example the German Wikipedia with articles about something German.
Well, Italian wikipedia is very good from certain things, for other instead,...
Concerning roads, it's very exhaustive and updated for Italian national roads and motorways. Articles about foreign higways are often incomplete and outdated. A common mistake is the translation of "highway" with "autostrada", even when highway means a main road that isn't divided and access-controlled and so it should be translated with "strada". For example: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrada_dell%27Alaska .
Another issue in Italy is the availability of lists of provincial roads. Each of the 110 provinces has its own classification, but several provinces didn't make the list public.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 12:41 AM   #30284
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The Dutch Wikipedia seems to be pretty bad then.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 01:07 AM   #30285
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I always use the English first. I find German one pretty good too.
I rarely use Romanian wiki.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 08:49 AM   #30286
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Well, Italian wikipedia is very good from certain things, for other instead,...
Concerning roads, it's very exhaustive and updated for Italian national roads and motorways. Articles about foreign higways are often incomplete and outdated. A common mistake is the translation of "highway" with "autostrada", even when highway means a main road that isn't divided and access-controlled and so it should be translated with "strada". For example: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrada_dell%27Alaska .
Another issue in Italy is the availability of lists of provincial roads. Each of the 110 provinces has its own classification, but several provinces didn't make the list public.
Since i work at ministry, I realized amusing fact, that the worst cooperation is not between private companies who mind only their own business, but among state owned :-D how come does a province acts like private subject with market confidentality. It has elected management.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 10:05 AM   #30287
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Serbian Wikipedia is almost useless, even for Serbian topics.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 10:43 AM   #30288
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Since i work at ministry, I realized amusing fact, that the worst cooperation is not between private companies who mind only their own business, but among state owned :-D how come does a province acts like private subject with market confidentality. It has elected management.
I don't know. I don't think they want to keep it a secret (there's no reason, also because road numbers appear on signs), probably they just didn't bother to put the list online, thinking nobody would read it. I think one can try to write an e-mail to the provincial administration.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 11:16 AM   #30289
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The Dutch Wikipedia seems to be pretty bad then.
Yes, if you look at Wikipedias in a national language and in developed countries, the Dutch Wikipedia is the worst of them all.

The Danish Wikipedia has a depth of nearly 8 times that of the Dutch one. The Romanian one 10 times, the French one nearly 20 times and the English one has 100 times more article depth.

However, the English one is de-facto the international Wikipedia. Its depth is twice that of the next best Wikipedia.

The Dutch Wikipedia is said to be driven by people whose only goal was to surpass other Wikipedias in article count. Many articles about major geographic locations (such as cities) are often 50% trivia. It is also very poorly sourced.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 11:21 AM   #30290
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How do you measure depth in an article?
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Old January 28th, 2015, 11:23 AM   #30291
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You can find it here:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_article_depth
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Old January 28th, 2015, 12:53 PM   #30292
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I am quite disappointed how railway transport in Europe is expensive. Still considering a weekend long trip in Maribor, but trains cost way too much.

Example: Vienna - Maribor by EC train for two adults adds up to 104 €
Vienna - Maribor by car is 47 € including Austrian weekly vignette.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 01:12 PM   #30293
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I am quite disappointed how railway transport in Europe is expensive. Still considering a weekend long trip in Maribor, but trains cost way too much.

Example: Vienna - Maribor by EC train for two adults adds up to 104 €
Vienna - Maribor by car is 47 € including Austrian weekly vignette.
While in Eastern Europe railways are usually considered as an alternative for poor people that can't manage to have a car, so the railways are heavily subsidized and the tickets are cheap, in Western Europe railways make business, especially in long distance services and try to get wealthy passangers by offer them leisure and fast travel for their money.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 01:14 PM   #30294
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I am quite disappointed how railway transport in Europe is expensive. Still considering a weekend long trip in Maribor, but trains cost way too much.

Example: Vienna - Maribor by EC train for two adults adds up to 104 €
Vienna - Maribor by car is 47 € including Austrian weekly vignette.
Italian rail system is somewhat cheaper than in the rest of Europe, but still not competitive: Brescia-Turin is 40€ by train, and roughly the same amount by car, counting tolls and fuel. And the trip time is the same, too.
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But the travel time will become much more unfavorable if your destination and/or origin isn't near a railway station. I have colleagues who commute 70 kilometers by public transport. The first 5 km from home to the railway station by bus takes 30 minutes, while the next 65 km station-to-station travel time is about 45 minutes.

That is also why public transport is not competitive with driving. Over 90% of driving are trips where the travel time difference with public transport is very large. In the Netherlands the share of car trips, where the travel time with public transport is not more than 1.5 times longer, is only 2-3%.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 01:43 PM   #30296
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Takes twice as long for me to go home by public transport from here.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 01:54 PM   #30297
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Travel time is not the only thing to take into account. You have also - mainly, I would say - to consider costs.
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Indeed, and that's one of the reason why trains are filled to capacity in the Netherlands. A large share of travelers don't have to pay. Not only students, but also many business travelers and commuters whose employer pays the full amount.

I have one colleague who could save nearly 2 hours per day if he went by car instead of bus + train. However, he travels public transport for free, while driving would mean buying a second car and relatively high maintenance cost due to the daily distance.

Another factor is the availability and cost of parking. This is one of the main 'selling points' of public transport. Travel time itself is often not the best thing about public transport (just look at the average commute time in Manhattan).
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This is just another one of those topics that periodically resurface
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Old January 28th, 2015, 02:19 PM   #30300
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Travel time is not the only thing to take into account. You have also - mainly, I would say - to consider costs.
Taking into account the fuel just for the trip, not including general maintenance and such, going by car is much cheaper.
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