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Old February 4th, 2015, 01:49 AM   #30361
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I thought Zaragoza was immune to snow...
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Old February 4th, 2015, 08:52 AM   #30362
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Old February 4th, 2015, 11:39 AM   #30363
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I thought Zaragoza was immune to snow...
Except that I'm still in Huesca . Here no snow remains , but down in Zaragoza...
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Old February 4th, 2015, 01:04 PM   #30364
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Btw. Is cheek kissing at greetings common in your country? Day ago I came across a tourist guide about Slovakia and at the very introduction, there was a conspicuous frame with highlighted text that cheek kissing at greeting is not an act of sexual harassment. Just being curious.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 01:09 PM   #30365
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Old February 4th, 2015, 05:06 PM   #30366
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Btw. Is cheek kissing at greetings common in your country? Day ago I came across a tourist guide about Slovakia and at the very introduction, there was a conspicuous frame with highlighted text that cheek kissing at greeting is not an act of sexual harassment. Just being curious.
Not that common among people who aren't related, at least in my age cohort (50ish); never, ever among heterosexual men, even if they're related.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 05:23 PM   #30367
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Btw. Is cheek kissing at greetings common in your country?
Of course, even between unrelated men, although with various degrees of spread across the country (more common in the South). It is seldom used when you introduce yourself but only in very unformal occasions, and almost never between men.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 07:07 PM   #30368
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Btw. Is cheek kissing at greetings common in your country? Day ago I came across a tourist guide about Slovakia and at the very introduction, there was a conspicuous frame with highlighted text that cheek kissing at greeting is not an act of sexual harassment. Just being curious.
It is quite frequent in the Netherlands. I just never got really used to it. Not the kissing, kissing is ok, but here it has to happen three times . It is common for related people and acquaintances. Not so common for the unrelated people.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 07:20 PM   #30369
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The French kiss all the time. And in factories and offices nobody starts work before all hands are shaken and female co-workers are kissed.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 09:29 PM   #30370
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Tomorrow and after tomorrow there will be show chaos here and in neighbourhood. All truck traffic is banned on all motorways for the next two days.
I think I'll get stuck again in afternoon traffic&snow chaos like yesterday.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 09:40 PM   #30371
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The French kiss all the time. And in factories and offices nobody starts work before all hands are shaken and female co-workers are kissed.
Well the first sentence sounds ambiguous
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Old February 4th, 2015, 09:52 PM   #30372
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Btw. Is cheek kissing at greetings common in your country? Day ago I came across a tourist guide about Slovakia and at the very introduction, there was a conspicuous frame with highlighted text that cheek kissing at greeting is not an act of sexual harassment. Just being curious.
It's very common in Romania, between women, women and men.
Rarely between men, usually close relatives.

In Germany it is mostly uncommon, here men shake hands, and women have a special type of hug, somehow from the side, either with women, or with men.
This mostly only applies to acquaintances, with more stranger people they shake hands.

For example, in Romania, if a work colleague, has birthday, you kiss her on the cheek. In Germany you shake her hand.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 10:18 PM   #30373
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Strange. In my country, if a man offer woman a handshake, it is usually considered ridiculous (I had done that several times, and the women was surprised and kind of disappointed). I kissed cheeks even when was introduced to my boss (woman). Fortunately, we do it only twice (kiss per cheek). But movement implying other kind of kiss would be considered as harassment.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 10:26 PM   #30374
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I wasn't specific enough, in Romania people kiss also twice, once for each cheek
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Old February 4th, 2015, 11:11 PM   #30375
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in Spain they love kissing. when I was meeting new people there, everyone wanted to kiss (female - male meetings). i have adopted it fast, but there was one thig that i hardly got used to: they kiss in wrong order - first right, and then left cheek. here we do it left - right.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 11:26 PM   #30376
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Posting in the Russian road thread

Apparently, criticism and debate is not accepted neither in Russia, nor in Skyscrapercity. As it's impossible to have a sane discussion and disputation on the road related issues ongoing in Russia without having its posts deleted and "censorship" .

Joke that made my day, on the Russian road thread: "We should ban all Poles from all Russian related forums" even though I'm not a Pole .
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Old February 5th, 2015, 01:18 AM   #30377
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You were just trolling there, so all those posts were deleted. We don't need this here.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 02:18 AM   #30378
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Well, that wasn't my intentions at all. Maybe, by putting too much negative facts in a single post did make to consider me as such . If that's the case, I'm really sorry. But, on the other side, I do have many legitimate question on Russian roads related issues. So, I will expose some of them in an anticipated and reformulated way. Do you think it will be acceptable to ask these questions and have a discussion on the following matters without being considered as a "troll"?:

1) Why does Russian motorways and structures are so expensive - for a quite low GPD per capita country?

2) Russia build now many impressive "state-of-the-art" bridges and short motorways that beats records of expenses (like for the Sochi games). Isn't it more urgent to focus spending on the bad roads that access and surround them, as well as the national main road network that is in a poor condition, instead? Maybe, by building less impressive bridges and motorways?

3) Problem with extremely violent and reckless drivers (you see many impressive videos on youtube, medias, and all over the internet). Also, you may risk you life not only after a crash, but also from acts violence that follows them or even not, just for a minor incident. Furthermore, Russia has very bad road related deaths and serious injuries records: Does Russian authorities and politics are taking this problem seriously, and are they intending to act and how to overcome this in the near future?

4) Many said on this forum that "bureaucracy", environmental laws, oppositions, funding are not an issue in Russia, "unlike the West". So may I ask why Russia do have such a bad road network and very few motorways/expressways?

These where some of the questions I wanted to post earlier. Would there be receivable on the Russian road thread?

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Old February 5th, 2015, 08:51 AM   #30379
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Well the first two questions were unnecessary. It's like asking the deaf man what does he think about the new song from whoever interpret. I guess every one knows the corruption is on a very high level in Russia which obviously bring such consequences (8 lane motorways in PRK, etc.). Pretending you don't know that fact might really sounds provocative, although I agree it is crucial challenge for admins to handle it.

As for the third question - a fact that an on board camcorder is almost mandatory for all cars should be taken account of and thus the chance of an accident being caught on camera is much higher than in other countries (there are even plenty of accidents recorded from more vehicles and thus perspectives). But you really can see on that videos Russians are not good drivers as 70 % of accidents could have been avoided.

The last question might be tricky. If you don't have "bureaucracy" - thus regulations - you don't have to fulfil the requirements. And it might lead to bad quality infrastructure. I still remember when we joined EU - we had some motorways without merging or turning lanes! On some sections, the curves are too sharp because it was built in '80s.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 11:26 AM   #30380
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I still remember when we joined EU - we had some motorways without merging or turning lanes! On some sections, the curves are too sharp because it was built in '80s.
I think those features are common everywhere on old motorways. In Italy some mountanious motorways built in the 1960s\70s are worse than these.
The most dangerous was probably the A3 Naples - Salerno, completed in 1961 with many improbable exits with very short ramps carved between houses and no accelertion\deceleration ramps, with on-ramps merging on the motorway with a stop sign!
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