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Old February 21st, 2015, 06:55 PM   #30661
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:28 PM   #30662
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A small English language issue:
Who do you love?
and
Whom you love?
are equal?

Btw. today is a native language day. We should celebrate by spamming language issues over all the topics, hurray
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:32 PM   #30663
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The distinction between "who" and "whom" is pretty much dead in everyday informal usage. We learn it in school, and then go home and annoy our parents by "correcting" their grammar (at least I went through that phase...and my parents were perfectly well educated people). And people often get them wrong in more formal writing - using "whom" where "who" would be correct... - because they don't come naturally.

But you need the "do" in a question:

Who do you love? - informal but acceptable
Whom do you love? - formal

the woman who(m) you love - is the sort of situation where you leave the "do" out.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:38 PM   #30664
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The distinction between "who" and "whom" is pretty much dead in everyday informal usage. We learn it in school, and then go home and annoy our parents by "correcting" their grammar (at least I went through that phase...and my parents were perfectly well educated people). And people often get them wrong in more formal writing - using "whom" where "who" would be correct... - because they don't come naturally.

But you need the "do" in a question:

Who do you love? - informal but acceptable
Whom do you love? - formal

the woman who(m) you love - is the sort of situation where you leave the "do" out.
Thanks. I thought I can drop the "do" if I use "whom" as well as it is in nominative of "who".
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:57 PM   #30665
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Um, did anyone else just (or recently) click on the Highways & Autobahns home page or any other page and get bounced to a year-and-a-half-old "Must Read" thread from Jan about "inappropriate content"??

Maybe I clicked on something by mistake, but I can't imagine what.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 09:27 PM   #30666
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Being good and responding off topic to this over here:

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Some motorways were closed in the French Alps. There is an incredible traffic chaos, people have been stranded in stationary traffic for almost the entire day.



The entire road network became clogged between Lyon and Albertville. There was over 1,000 kilometers of traffic jams in this view of TomTom Traffic.
We're having snow too. This storm is officially and appropriately named Pandora. This one is actually supposed to do something here as opposed to just north of us. AND my cable went dysfunctional yesterday evening (some channels don't work, no on demand, no recordings....). All in all, a good day for wasting time on SSC.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 10:31 PM   #30667
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Today in place where i live ,in 1pm temperature was 10 C.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 10:40 PM   #30668
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Quote:
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The distinction between "who" and "whom" is pretty much dead in everyday informal usage. We learn it in school, and then go home and annoy our parents by "correcting" their grammar (at least I went through that phase...and my parents were perfectly well educated people). And people often get them wrong in more formal writing - using "whom" where "who" would be correct... - because they don't come naturally.

But you need the "do" in a question:

Who do you love? - informal but acceptable
Whom do you love? - formal

the woman who(m) you love - is the sort of situation where you leave the "do" out.
I do rarely use whom and even my Mum, who doesn't speak English natively, takes the piss out of me for it. I couldn't explain which one is correct and why though. Reading about it now.

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Mrs. Dimwit consulted an astrologer whom she met in Seattle. (She met him in Seattle.)

Jones is the man whom I went fishing with last spring. (I went fishing with him.)

Joyce is the girl who got the job. (She got the job.)

Whom can we turn to in a time of crisis? (Can we turn to her?)

The delegates differed as to who they thought might win. (Not whom. Here the entire clause is the object of the preposition. Substitution is particularly helpful in cases such as this. They thought he might win.)

Who is that masked man? (subject)

The men, four of whom are ill, were indicted for fraud. (object)
I think I'd use 'who' for all but the last, where I would use 'whom'.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 11:23 PM   #30669
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The men who four of are ill?
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 12:19 AM   #30670
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The men who four of are ill?
The first time I read that it sounded strange, but now that I've read it a few times it sounds perfectly normal to me. Strange how the brain works, innit.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 12:22 AM   #30671
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The men who four of are ill?
This sounds perfectly, but it would never struck me
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 02:07 AM   #30672
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Seriously, I think I'd say "the men of whom four are ill."
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 02:35 AM   #30673
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So would I.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 02:10 PM   #30674
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Last night at around 1 a.m. I was driving in downtown Udine, when I saw an accident involving a police car and another police car nearby, all in the middle of a busy crossroad.
Today's news: The police was chasing a gypsy guy, researched for many thefts, that refused to stop. So, he decided to deliberately crash against the police car, injuring the two occupants. He had his 13 y.o. kid in the car with him. The car was full of tools used to break locks. The car was also uninsured.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 02:46 PM   #30675
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 08:05 PM   #30676
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 10:38 PM   #30677
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I wonder which other EU countries have a law enforcement force akin to the Carabinieri, with similar provisions about geographical dispersion, legal competence etc.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 11:50 PM   #30678
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the french Gendarmerie and Guardia civil in spain come to mind.
I believe this is to prevent one organisation/ministry from becoming too powerful (especially in a centralized state).
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 12:58 AM   #30680
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No, forget countries

people are free to use units

degrees Reaumur for all!
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