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Old May 12th, 2015, 02:47 PM   #31541
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Btw. Kaliningrad seems to be an interesting destination for road trip, isn't it?
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Old May 12th, 2015, 03:10 PM   #31542
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...because apparently going through Russia on your way to Western Europe is a wise idea.

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I agree that there are faults with the new Google Maps: mainly the stupid alternatives and the snapping to smaller roads when zoomed out but other than that it's fine. I tried the old Google Maps for fun and it's slower and much clunkier than the new one, at least for me.
Viamichelin is also terribly outdated: motoways opened as early as 2012 are still missing. If you zoom to a greater map, also motorways opened in 2009 aren't showed.
It was very popular around 8-10 years ago. Now, it probably lost the competition against Google, that provides additional services like satellite images, street view, traffic info, public transport,... I'm not surprised if Viamichelin developers have abandoned the project already a couple of years ago and just left the site accessible online.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old May 12th, 2015, 03:11 PM   #31543
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Btw. Kaliningrad seems to be an interesting destination for road trip, isn't it?
If you go through all formalites to get a visa for Russia you probably want to visit Moscow and\or Saint Petersburg instead. Kaliningrad is not very interesting, as the old historical German city of Königsberg was entirely bombed during WWII and later rebuilt with Soviet standards (ugly commieblocks). I think it was one of the worst crimes against historical heritage ever committed in modern times. Unfortunately, in communist countries these things were the norm rather than the exception.
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“The transponder’s personalised signal would be picked up when the car passed through an intersection, and then relayed to a central computer which would calculate the charge according to the intersection and the time of day and add it to the car’s bill” - Nobel Economics Prize winner William Vickrey, proposing a system of electronic tolling for the Washington metropolitan area, 1959
In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old May 12th, 2015, 04:03 PM   #31544
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Viamichelin paper atlases are still my preferred way in France. They have much more detail than an online or digital map in terms of planning around. You can easily identify scenic routes, toll roads, terrain, scenic overlooks, points of interest, etc. It also offers much more detail on the roads by line width and colors.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 09:41 PM   #31545
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I see, thanks!

(In french we put a "s" for the plural of the word "information", that's the origin of my mistake ! )
don't worry, neither I would know it, but miraculously I didn't sleep at that lesson when we learned that
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Old May 13th, 2015, 12:37 AM   #31546
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I can't believe how many people in Aber don't know where Corsica is or have never even heard of it.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 01:44 AM   #31547
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Today I was buying food in grocery store here in suburbs of Toronto (Oakville)

I see that strange bottles of water Europeans love, and sure enough, Product of Slovenia!
Radomsko? I don't know. 1.5 L for $1.50. Probably in Slovenia 1.50 Euro Next door they sell gasoline (petrol) for $1.10 for 1 L.
Europeans are so weird
I wonder how many people in that store could find Slovenia on a map?
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Old May 13th, 2015, 09:56 AM   #31548
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Old May 13th, 2015, 11:22 AM   #31549
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Today I was buying food in grocery store here in suburbs of Toronto (Oakville)

I see that strange bottles of water Europeans love, and sure enough, Product of Slovenia!
Radomsko? I don't know. 1.5 L for $1.50. Probably in Slovenia 1.50 Euro Next door they sell gasoline (petrol) for $1.10 for 1 L.
Europeans are so weird
I wonder how many people in that store could find Slovenia on a map?
1.5 l of water cost as low as 0.2€, in Italy
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Old May 13th, 2015, 11:32 AM   #31550
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I pay € 0.72 per m³ for drinking water. That's € 0.0007 per liter.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 11:38 AM   #31551
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Of course, tap water is much cheaper than bottled water.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 12:30 PM   #31552
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I wonder how many people in that store could find Slovenia on a map?
I would never make fun of Americans for not knowing that. Sure, the level of general knowledge might be lower, but we, Europeans, don't know the location of every city in US either.

The shame is only if Americans do not know their own country, or if a well educated guy from Denmark respond to mention of Slovakia by saying: "I am pretty sure you thought Czechoslovakia".
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Old May 13th, 2015, 01:25 PM   #31553
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I would never make fun of Americans for not knowing that. Sure, the level of general knowledge might be lower, but we, Europeans, don't know the location of every city in US either.
Everyone pointing the finger at someone should take the following easy test: Select any five European countries except the microstates and list their five biggest cities by population.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 01:42 PM   #31554
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I pay € 0.72 per m³ for drinking water. That's € 0.0007 per liter.
You're lucky if you can drink your tap water, in our over-developed countries with irresponsible agriculture and the use of pesticides and fertilizers it became too rare !
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Old May 13th, 2015, 01:45 PM   #31555
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Dutch tap water is of very high quality, most Dutch don't like to drink tap water in southern Europe because it tastes bad. Some Dutch restaurants just serve tap water if you order a water, because people won't notice the difference.

Bottled water sales are very low in the Netherlands for that reason. Nobody needs to buy that.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 01:48 PM   #31556
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Everyone pointing the finger at someone should take the following easy test: Select any five European countries except the microstates and list their five biggest cities by population.
I agree, but some Americans still believe that Europe is a single country, or just look at what sometimes some "profesionnals" from news channels like Fox News are showing maps of Europe with countries and cities misplaced on their maps... :/

But yes, at the opposite, whe have here on Europe some peoples who don't even know in witch country there are living or even what language they are talking and much more (we can see the videos on Youtube...)
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Old May 13th, 2015, 01:52 PM   #31557
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Dutch tap water is of very high quality, most Dutch don't like to drink tap water in southern Europe because it tastes bad. Some Dutch restaurants just serve tap water if you order a water, because people won't notice the difference.

Bottled water sales are very low in the Netherlands for that reason. Nobody needs to buy that.
I can confirm it's pretty similar also in Austria. Most people drink tap water as it's good. Bottled water sales are low.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 01:59 PM   #31558
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Dutch tap water is of very high quality, most Dutch don't like to drink tap water in southern Europe because it tastes bad. Some Dutch restaurants just serve tap water if you order a water, because people won't notice the difference.

Bottled water sales are very low in the Netherlands for that reason. Nobody needs to buy that.
They try to do the same in France, they even "sold" it as a brand water (ex : "La bisontine" in Besançon, etc...) and they push everyone to drink it. It is probably true that this water is better than many others but it's still a "river water" and they use chlorine in it... and there is residues from human activities like pesticides, fertilizer and nitrates... Even in low quantities, we don't really know what is the "cocktail effect" that all these chemicals together can do...

I personnaly prefer to drink a bottled spring water witch I'm sure is better than most of tap water even if it's not perfect when it's bottled in a plastic bottle...
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Dutch tap water is of very high quality, most Dutch don't like to drink tap water in southern Europe because it tastes bad. Some Dutch restaurants just serve tap water if you order a water, because people won't notice the difference.

Bottled water sales are very low in the Netherlands for that reason. Nobody needs to buy that.
Tap water in Germany is also very high quality.
But for example here in Bavaria for example it contains much "Kalk" (is that lime on English?). So on the long term I don't think it's very good for your kidneys. You have to buy a water filter and drink that water, tap water is also very bad for coffee machines, washing machines, etc.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 02:30 PM   #31560
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Tap water is perfectly safe to drink pretty much everywhere in Estonia and taste is also fine since it's largely groundwater.
Tallinn is different since it gets most of it's tap water from a lake so it has a different taste which most people think is worse than ground water.

Most of the bottled water sold in Estonia is either flavoured (and carbonated) water or a salty mineral water. Plain drinking water is not very popular.
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