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Old June 14th, 2015, 07:07 PM   #31861
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Yep. My first time on the Continent - 30 years ago next month, spent the summer studying in Caen - I remember a fellow student from Norway referring to automatics as "the lazy American way of driving."
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Old June 14th, 2015, 07:12 PM   #31862
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Many rental cars have automatic transmission. You can usually select your preference. In addition, the share of automatic transmissions is increasing in Europe.
Good thing, too. Otherwise I'd be in trouble. This will be the first time I've driven there; I want the experience and there are things I want to do I can't do by train.

Also I fell on ice a few months ago and broke a wrist; that hand's still not quite 100%, so lots of carrying luggage between trains and hotels is not something I want to try just yet.
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Old June 14th, 2015, 11:30 PM   #31863
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I followed your advices, even before reading your response I made several forbidden U-turns, more than ever before Got caught by police while doing that. Officer smiled, asked me if I was lost, showed me the way and wished me a safe journey What the attitude.
I think I would like to live in Italy.

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Driving in Austria was standard. Austrians are super-careful. Drove at 130 kph on motorway with 130 kph speed limit and overtook almost everyone.

Driving in Slovenia was exactly the opposite. Drove at 130 kph on motorway with 130 kph and got overtaken by everyone Slovenes are also "racers". When I showed my intention to change lane, turned on the indicator, the driver behind my rear in the lane I wanted to move onto speeded up to prevent me from doing that. Several times also occurred the following situation: Was driving in slow lane getting closer to slower car, turned on my indicator, changed lane, got next to the overtaken car, drove at 135 kph, the car was next to me, drove at 140 kph, the car was next to me, drove 160 kph, the car was next to me, said GaFY to myself, slowed down to 130 kph to let him gone. The situation repeated several minutes later when I caught up with him driving at 110 kph. Slovenia got me impressed nevertheless. Especially Piran.

Italy was the separate chapter. Was scared but got used to it. It was quite easy. Hope I will got rid of all the habits I got there. Otherwise I would significantly contribute to Slovak state budget.
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Old June 14th, 2015, 11:33 PM   #31864
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Italy is so different from Spain in terms of driving style, from what I've seen and heard.

I haven't driven that much in Italy yet, I've been there three times, all in the north (mostly around Milano).

I want to drive south once A3 is fully completed to Reggio Calabria.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 12:02 AM   #31865
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Italy is so different from Spain in terms of driving style, from what I've seen and heard.
I drove quite many in Italy in the late 90's. It was terrible. I was in Italy several times in the recent years as well, but usually by plane (and took the public transport there), so I have only little recent experiences, but it seemed to be better then fifteen years ago, especially in motorways. But even now very bad for someone that live north of the Alps. :-)
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Old June 15th, 2015, 12:27 AM   #31866
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It took me one year, after I got back from Germany, to get re-accustomed to Italian driving style. Still hate it with all my heart, after 5 years...
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Old June 15th, 2015, 12:35 AM   #31867
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I followed your advices, even before reading your response I made several forbidden U-turns, more than ever before Got caught by police while doing that. Officer smiled, asked me if I was lost, showed me the way and wished me a safe journey What the attitude.
I think I would like to live in Italy.

Btw. some insights.
Driving in Austria was standard. Austrians are super-careful. Drove at 130 kph on motorway with 130 kph speed limit and overtook almost everyone.

Driving in Slovenia was exactly the opposite. Drove at 130 kph on motorway with 130 kph and got overtaken by everyone Slovenes are also "racers". When I showed my intention to change lane, turned on the indicator, the driver behind my rear in the lane I wanted to move onto speeded up to prevent me from doing that. Several times also occurred the following situation: Was driving in slow lane getting closer to slower car, turned on my indicator, changed lane, got next to the overtaken car, drove at 135 kph, the car was next to me, drove at 140 kph, the car was next to me, drove 160 kph, the car was next to me, said GaFY to myself, slowed down to 130 kph to let him gone. The situation repeated several minutes later when I caught up with him driving at 110 kph. Slovenia got me impressed nevertheless. Especially Piran.

Italy was the separate chapter. Was scared but got used to it. It was quite easy. Hope I will got rid of all the habits I got there. Otherwise I would significantly contribute to Slovak state budget.
I recommend you a driving session in Tirana
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Old June 15th, 2015, 01:11 AM   #31868
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Italy is so different from Spain in terms of driving style, from what I've seen and heard.

I haven't driven that much in Italy yet, I've been there three times, all in the north (mostly around Milano).

I want to drive south once A3 is fully completed to Reggio Calabria.
You will need to wait 4 more years if you consider completion of all exit junctions.

You should then include some city driving in Catania, Palermo and Napoli to make the fun complete.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 01:37 AM   #31869
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You will need to wait 4 more years if you consider completion of all exit junctions.

You should then include some city driving in Catania, Palermo and Napoli to make the fun complete.
And Rome. It's a real hell of traffic.
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I drove quite many in Italy in the late 90's. It was terrible. I was in Italy several times in the recent years as well, but usually by plane (and took the public transport there), so I have only little recent experiences, but it seemed to be better then fifteen years ago, especially in motorways. But even now very bad for someone that live north of the Alps. :-)
In the 1990s it was worse because there was no point system in driving license (introduced in 2003) and there were less controls against speeding and DUI.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 02:16 AM   #31870
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I followed your advices, even before reading your response I made several forbidden U-turns, more than ever before Got caught by police while doing that. Officer smiled, asked me if I was lost, showed me the way and wished me a safe journey What the attitude.
I think I would like to live in Italy.

Btw. some insights.
Driving in Austria was standard. Austrians are super-careful. Drove at 130 kph on motorway with 130 kph speed limit and overtook almost everyone.

Driving in Slovenia was exactly the opposite. Drove at 130 kph on motorway with 130 kph and got overtaken by everyone Slovenes are also "racers". When I showed my intention to change lane, turned on the indicator, the driver behind my rear in the lane I wanted to move onto speeded up to prevent me from doing that. Several times also occurred the following situation: Was driving in slow lane getting closer to slower car, turned on my indicator, changed lane, got next to the overtaken car, drove at 135 kph, the car was next to me, drove at 140 kph, the car was next to me, drove 160 kph, the car was next to me, said GaFY to myself, slowed down to 130 kph to let him gone. The situation repeated several minutes later when I caught up with him driving at 110 kph. Slovenia got me impressed nevertheless. Especially Piran.

Italy was the separate chapter. Was scared but got used to it. It was quite easy. Hope I will got rid of all the habits I got there. Otherwise I would significantly contribute to Slovak state budget.
that's exactly what I hate about slovenian driving. agresivity mostly. but you should note situation used to be much worse and improved greatly in last decade. so bad driving is becoming more and more an exception.

Italy is much more relaxed, although some agresivity remains. Italians like to push you out of their lane, but they won't prevent you to change lanes

but I don't agree about Austruans driving below 130, they are also quite speeders, up to 140, but disciplined ones, respecting lanes, and roadwork limits (how is it with the latter in Italy already? )
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Old June 15th, 2015, 02:34 AM   #31871
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Things that bother me the msot about Italian driving:
- scooters craving out whatever space they can
- tight overtaking (even with plenty of space, many drives cut in front of you or tailgate until the last moment and don't pull over all the way either)
- double parking, angle parking on parallel-parking streets, parking over the sidewalk where not allowed
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Old June 15th, 2015, 11:53 AM   #31872
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I followed your advices, even before reading your response I made several forbidden U-turns, more than ever before Got caught by police while doing that. Officer smiled, asked me if I was lost, showed me the way and wished me a safe journey What the attitude.
I think I would like to live in Italy.

Btw. some insights.
Driving in Austria was standard. Austrians are super-careful. Drove at 130 kph on motorway with 130 kph speed limit and overtook almost everyone.

Driving in Slovenia was exactly the opposite. Drove at 130 kph on motorway with 130 kph and got overtaken by everyone Slovenes are also "racers". When I showed my intention to change lane, turned on the indicator, the driver behind my rear in the lane I wanted to move onto speeded up to prevent me from doing that. Several times also occurred the following situation: Was driving in slow lane getting closer to slower car, turned on my indicator, changed lane, got next to the overtaken car, drove at 135 kph, the car was next to me, drove at 140 kph, the car was next to me, drove 160 kph, the car was next to me, said GaFY to myself, slowed down to 130 kph to let him gone. The situation repeated several minutes later when I caught up with him driving at 110 kph. Slovenia got me impressed nevertheless. Especially Piran.

Italy was the separate chapter. Was scared but got used to it. It was quite easy. Hope I will got rid of all the habits I got there. Otherwise I would significantly contribute to Slovak state budget.
How was your visit in Trieste? Did you enjoy the city? What did you see?

Yesterday the main square in Trieste looked like that, after a heavy rainfall.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 12:34 PM   #31873
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How was your visit in Trieste? Did you enjoy the city? What did you see?

Yesterday the main square in Trieste looked like that, after a heavy rainfall.

I am really impressed. The city was beautiful. We stayed in B&B at Via della Galleria. It was unable to park anywhere but in dock, so I did. An arrival of huge cruise ship was planned next day, so lot of parking places were closed.

We spent first evening at Molo Audace and walking over Piazza della Unita de Italia, when we had a dinner (pizza of course) and drink. Next day we went to Miramare Castle, walked all over the city centre and had a ride on the Opicina Tram. In evening we came to city centre to buy some solely Italian groceries for family. Last day we came to Piran, Slovania. We left at 10 AM, so the heavy rainfall caught us in the middle of Slovenia.

It was perfect, thus it was not last time I've been there.
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but I don't agree about Austruans driving below 130, they are also quite speeders, up to 140, but disciplined ones, respecting lanes, and roadwork limits (how is it with the latter in Italy already? )
Bad, as usual
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Old June 15th, 2015, 05:35 PM   #31875
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yesterday i was driving along A3 during the sunset around 21h. obviously it's the time when those bastards go to feed themselves, or mate, or whatever. but there were zillions of them. i stopped each 80km to wash my windshield manually, and other drivers had the same problems too.
Apparently, things could be much worse. Like piles of bugs 2 feet deep on the Columbia–Wrightsville Bridge across the Susquehanna River in Pennsylvania.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33129833
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Old June 15th, 2015, 07:03 PM   #31876
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Apparently, things could be much worse. Like piles of bugs 2 feet deep on the Columbia–Wrightsville Bridge across the Susquehanna River in Pennsylvania.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33129833
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Old June 15th, 2015, 10:10 PM   #31877
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Oh my God...
I have never seen a player failing at the 50 Euro question (it is the very first one) in Who wants to be a millionaire. Until now.
A young girl was it, she chose the wrong answer and did it so definitive that even the presenter did not manage to persuade her not to do it.
She won 0 Euro.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 10:29 PM   #31878
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Bad, as usual
I think that something improved regard of speeding, compared to the past. The TUTOR system is now ubiquitous and people fear it. 10 years ago it was common in Italy to drive 130-140 kph and being constantly overtaken by cars driving at 160-180. Now it's less common.
Against dangerous overtaking, tailgating, use of mobile phone, poor lane discipline, middle\left lane hogging, illegal use of hard shoulders,... no TUTOR system works, so people violate these rules regularily, as chances of being prosecuted for them are slim (you need to be very unlucky and have an undercover police car behind you). And these bad driving habits are often more dangerous than a (moderate) speeding. But issuing fines for speeding with automatic systems brings more cash than patrolling the roads looking for other violations.
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Ubiquitous? In Autostrade per l'Italia stretches, maybe. Try A7, or A21 near Brescia: they're racetracks.
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Ubiquitous? In Autostrade per l'Italia stretches, maybe. Try A7, or A21 near Brescia: they're racetracks.
Also Autovie Venete network (A4, A23 and A28).
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