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Old July 1st, 2015, 02:33 PM   #32101
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60 euros i think.
When will you go to Greece and where?
Sarti or Neos Marmaras ?
The 60€ limit is only for Greek citizens. Tourists can withdraw however much their card will let them. Assuming there's enough money in the ATM to start with.
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Old July 1st, 2015, 02:42 PM   #32102
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Many tourists who go to Greece reside in all-inclusive resorts, which are paid for in advance. So you don't need to pay much during your vacation. I suppose the biggest inconvenience would be public unrest or strikes. They've blocked the supply of fuel before.
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Old July 1st, 2015, 02:56 PM   #32103
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1) Inconsistent use of colours: for example green in some countries is used only for expressways, in other for all main roads.
2) Lack of Latin transliteration for non-Latin names: for westerners it's virtually impossible to use OSM for China, Japan, Israel or Arab countries, and quite difficult for Greece, Russia, Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria.
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Old July 1st, 2015, 03:11 PM   #32104
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Old July 1st, 2015, 04:57 PM   #32105
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Scorched earth! 41 °C in Eindhoven, Netherlands.

Meteorologists have a hard time translating the model data to an actual forecast, because such extreme temperatures have never been recorded before in the Dutch oceanic climate. They have no reference data.

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Old July 1st, 2015, 05:47 PM   #32106
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The only problem is an amount of money in atms. I can't wait to go there.
I know, people are cash-crazy, maybe you can get a super deal on something, like a late-model Skoda or a island for 5000 EUR or the like
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Old July 1st, 2015, 05:49 PM   #32107
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Let's wait until Saturday. Meanwhile 47°C in Córdoba, Spain.
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Old July 1st, 2015, 05:50 PM   #32108
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Old July 1st, 2015, 09:02 PM   #32109
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60 euros i think.
When will you go to Greece and where?
Sarti or Neos Marmaras ?
No, the problem is there is not enough cash in ATMs. You can theoretically withdraw the amount allowed by your bank (200 € in my case), but you actually can't as there is nothing to go out of ATM
I go last week of July to Sarti. The plan is to refuel my car on last petrol station in Macedonia, park it and don't move until the end of my stay. I will rather rent a scooter in serious case although it is more expensive solution.

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I know, people are cash-crazy, maybe you can get a super deal on something, like a late-model Skoda or a island for 5000 EUR or the like
It is happening. On some islands, tourists refuse to buy souvenirs, only basic stuff and vendors were forced to drop the prices. I would prefer a boat or something
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Old July 1st, 2015, 09:43 PM   #32110
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Scorched earth! 41 °C in Eindhoven, Netherlands.

Meteorologists have a hard time translating the model data to an actual forecast, because such extreme temperatures have never been recorded before in the Dutch oceanic climate. They have no reference data.
What the hell! (And never better said ) Meanwhile the forecast for Huesca on the same day is 'only' 37şC.

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Let's wait until Saturday. Meanwhile 47°C in Córdoba, Spain.
They were nowhere near that value today (36şC). On Sunday, they had 44şC
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Old July 1st, 2015, 10:31 PM   #32111
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I am currently learning Serbo-Croatian (my second attempt ), mainly because I will be visiting several ex-Yugoslav countries soon. Language is rather easy to learn, maybe because I am able to communicate in some other Slavic languages on more or less advanced level, not to mention my mother tongue, of course. However, because of a kind of added value to Serbo-Croatian (we all know the recent history of Balkan states) there is probably a need to treat some dialectical differences with utmost delicacy. Therefore, the question to our Balkan colleagues is coming out: would it have been a 'faux pas' if I, for example, will have used a term " željeznički kolodvor" in Serbia, and otherwise, "železnička stanica" in Croatia? There is many tiny (for me) differences in all Serbo-Croatian dialects, or if you prefer languages emerged from Serbo-Croatian, but I am a little afraid they are tiny for me only, not for the autochthons.

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Old July 1st, 2015, 10:36 PM   #32112
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I am currently learning Serbo-Croatian (my second attempt ), mainly because I will be visiting several ex-Yugoslav countries soon. Language is rather easy to learn, maybe because I am able to communicate in some other Slavic languages on more or less advanced level, not to mention my mother tongue, of course. However, because of a kind of added value to Serbo-Croatian (we all know the recent history of Balkan states) there is probably a need to treat some dialectical differences with utmost delicacy. Therefore, the question to our Balkan colleagues is coming out: would it have been a 'faux pas' if I, for example, will have used a term " željeznički kolodvor" in Serbia, and otherwise, "železnička stanica" in Croatia? There is many tiny (for me) differences in all Serbo-Croatian dialects, or if you prefer languages emerged from Serbo-Croatian, but I am a little afraid they are tiny for me only, not for the autochthons.

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sorry for cutting in, but "kolodvor" looks derived from Hungarian "pályaudvar". I was also surprised about words "Hiša" in Slovenia (similar with Hungarian Háza) and word "Cona" which is very similar to German Zone.
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I am currently learning Serbo-Croatian (my second attempt ), mainly because I will be visiting several ex-Yugoslav countries soon. Language is rather easy to learn, maybe because I am able to communicate in some other Slavic languages on more or less advanced level, not to mention my mother tongue, of course. However, because of a kind of added value to Serbo-Croatian (we all know the recent history of Balkan states) there is probably a need to treat some dialectical differences with utmost delicacy. Therefore, the question to our Balkan colleagues is coming out: would it have been a 'faux pas' if I, for example, will have used a term " željeznički kolodvor" in Serbia, and otherwise, "železnička stanica" in Croatia? There is many tiny (for me) differences in all Serbo-Croatian dialects, or if you prefer languages emerged from Serbo-Croatian, but I am a little afraid they are tiny for me only, not for the autochthons.

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there is word "stanica" in croatian language. it means "stop" (like bus stop, railway stop, tram stop). kolodvor is that what you in western russo-polish language call dworzec.
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Old July 1st, 2015, 11:03 PM   #32114
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Many words in Balkan Slavic countries are, because of historical reason,s borrowed from Italian, Hungarian and Turkish language. Not from German though, which is pretty interesting except for many words that are present in everyday speech but not in formal languages.
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No need to be offended, the term Serbo-Croatian is still in use. Linguists consider post Serbo-Croatian languages also as dialects of the above. I asked the question for one particular reason: not to offend or annoy Serbs, Croats, Bosnians and Montenegrins using inappropriate vocabulary in their country. And it was the polite question on contrary to your answer

Regarding kolodvor and stanica in my phrase book, which is a Croatian phrasebook, they only use the first. And also in some internet comparison of the languagues I found kolodvor used in Croatian and stanica in Serbian. Obviously, there is more such differences.

By the way, here is my first phrase book i bought about 30 years ago:


You have already cut this polo-russian stuff off. Thanks
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there was also czechoslovakian language in the history, and nobody mentions it anymore. wikipedia actually nicely defines such artificial languages: political sociolinguistic concept. so, i didn't want to be rude at all.

you will not have any problems speaking serbian in Croatia nor probably croatian in Serbia. both nations got used on Slovenians who are speaking some mixture of both
(of course, don't be surprised if you ask for "parče hleba" or "pantalone boje šargarepe" in Croatia and people look at you weird because not everyone would understand it)
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Many tourists who go to Greece reside in all-inclusive resorts, which are paid for in advance. So you don't need to pay much during your vacation. I suppose the biggest inconvenience would be public unrest or strikes. They've blocked the supply of fuel before.
I really doubt that there will be strikes.It's summer and they earn a lot of money because of a tourists.In my 7 years old experience i have never seen that someone who is from Serbia was stopped by police on motorway or on 2 way road. Also i don't think that me or anyone else will have problems in Greece because they know what will happen if the number of tourists drops significantly.
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Yesterday I was sending money abroad using Western Union. A member of staff, prior to to fill in the form, politely informed me that there is no transfering service for Greece any more.
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I really doubt that there will be strikes.It's summer and they earn a lot of money because of a tourists.In my 7 years old experience i have never seen that someone who is from Serbia was stopped by police on motorway or on 2 way road. Also i don't think that me or anyone else will have problems in Greece because they know what will happen if the number of tourists drops significantly.
I don't know how the reforms goes in Greece, but since 2010 I've got receipt on beach after paying for sunbed, umbrella, drink or whatever Earlier, the "waiter" just took money
Also, the police is more active. I've even seen some speed cameras. Particularly officers resting in shadow with assembled tripod with something aiming at heading traffic.
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