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Old July 14th, 2015, 01:14 PM   #32281
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Old July 14th, 2015, 02:23 PM   #32282
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I tried, but coulnd't find, a statistic: the % of new cars sold in Europe (or specific European countries) that come with manual transmission 5 gears, manual transmission 6 gears, automatic transmission and else.

Is 6 gears going to become the norm even on smaller-engine cheaper cars? Widespread adoption of 5 gears is not an ancient thing, basic models only got them in the late 1970s AFAIK.

I'm afraid electric engines will caught up in Europe before automatic transmission on combustion engines become prevalent.
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Old July 14th, 2015, 03:33 PM   #32283
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The share of automatic transmission is rising, mostly from the C-class and up. In the Netherlands the unfavorable CO2 taxes make small cars with automatic transmission absurdly expensive.

For instance the cheapest Volkswagen Polo costs € 13991. The only model with automatic transmission costs € 24750. Of course this is a more luxurious model with a more powerful engine. Or a Nissan Note. The cheapest model costs € 13990. The automatic transmission model costs € 19140.

If you want to spend close to € 20000 or more on a car, you may just as well buy a decent higher class car with manual transmission.
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Old July 14th, 2015, 03:37 PM   #32284
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http://www.andreatartaglia.net/itali...io-automatico/
In 2013, 15% of new cars in Italy had automatic transmission. In 2003 it was only 5%.
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Old July 14th, 2015, 04:29 PM   #32285
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I personaly love manual transmission, so much more plesure for me. I already tried so automatic transmission BMW and Mercedes, and despite the fact that this is maybe more calm, I can't see any advantages for myself!
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Old July 14th, 2015, 05:09 PM   #32286
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I personaly love manual transmission, so much more plesure for me. I already tried so automatic transmission BMW and Mercedes, and despite the fact that this is maybe more calm, I can't see any advantages for myself!
manual transmission + curvy hilly road
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Old July 14th, 2015, 08:16 PM   #32287
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The share of automatic transmission is rising, mostly from the C-class and up. In the Netherlands the unfavorable CO2 taxes make small cars with automatic transmission absurdly expensive.

For instance the cheapest Volkswagen Polo costs € 13991. The only model with automatic transmission costs € 24750. Of course this is a more luxurious model with a more powerful engine. Or a Nissan Note. The cheapest model costs € 13990. The automatic transmission model costs € 19140.

If you want to spend close to € 20000 or more on a car, you may just as well buy a decent higher class car with manual transmission.
These taxes make any car absurdly expensive, compared to the countries without such taxes. .
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Old July 14th, 2015, 11:45 PM   #32288
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I personaly love manual transmission, so much more plesure for me. I already tried so automatic transmission BMW and Mercedes, and despite the fact that this is maybe more calm, I can't see any advantages for myself!
it is a blessing in heavy stop+go city traffic.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 01:49 AM   #32289
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it is a blessing in heavy stop+go city traffic.
Surely, but when you are used to drive a manual car in those conditions since many years, you won't really notice the manual gear box, in your head it will be like an "automatic" action... This is what happens to me, now when I drive, most of the time I use the gear box without even thinking about it...

The car + human makes one!
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Old July 15th, 2015, 09:26 AM   #32290
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manual transmission + curvy hilly road
Yeah sure
Try my car and some alpine pass road. I own 200HP Honda Accord with automatic transmission. With manual I would have higher fuel consumption and also automatic switches gears noticeably faster.
I was always against automatic until I bought this car. After only two days of driving it I realised that manuals are for me past tense.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 01:08 PM   #32291
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Yeah sure
Try my car and some alpine pass road. I own 200HP Honda Accord with automatic transmission. With manual I would have higher fuel consumption and also automatic switches gears noticeably faster.
I was always against automatic until I bought this car. After only two days of driving it I realised that manuals are for me past tense.
This is really "driver-dependant". In fact if you drive like a granny who change the speeds very high, it will be the case... but if you drive with eco-friendly attitude, you could do better than automatic transmission... like for example anticipating and changing speed in place of braking strongly... And it's just an example, you could do so much more with manual transmission...
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Old July 15th, 2015, 01:20 PM   #32292
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Old July 15th, 2015, 02:47 PM   #32293
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This is really "driver-dependant". In fact if you drive like a granny who change the speeds very high, it will be the case... but if you drive with eco-friendly attitude, you could do better than automatic transmission... like for example anticipating and changing speed in place of braking strongly... And it's just an example, you could do so much more with manual transmission...
Modern automatics are already more fuel-savers than manuals (at least with more powerful engines). Of course it depends on driver but, for example my car often throws into neutral gear for some time when there are right conditions (appropriate descent and foot away from gas pedal).

Most "anti-automatic" opinions are from drivers that never drove automatics at all. Probably 95% of those change opinions when they actually own such car.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 09:54 PM   #32294
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Yeah sure
Try my car and some alpine pass road. I own 200HP Honda Accord with automatic transmission. With manual I would have higher fuel consumption and also automatic switches gears noticeably faster.
I was always against automatic until I bought this car. After only two days of driving it I realised that manuals are for me past tense.
Such conclusion comes automatically in certain age..

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(..).. And it's just an example, you could do so much more with manual transmission...
... when there is no need to do much more, anymore
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Old July 16th, 2015, 02:47 AM   #32295
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I drive an automatic here in New Zealand (Honda Aria). And quite a few drivers here has never drove a manuel since it means you can pass your drivers test and obtain a license easier.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 12:53 PM   #32296
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Such conclusion comes automatically in certain age..
Maybe, but only a week before I had a completely different opinion.
Also today's automatics cannot compare to automatics from 20 years ago.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 01:54 PM   #32297
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Modern automatics are already more fuel-savers than manuals (at least with more powerful engines).
I can't agree, although it's actually not wrong.
There are several types of automatic transmissions, so you can't give a statement for all automatics.

The "classic" automatic transmission is hydraulically operated and has a torque converter and/or fluid coupling. So there is no friction clutch.
This kind of transmission is known for being not as efficient due to the pumping and of cause due to the viscid of the fluid. Although this doesn't mean that they could be more efficient than manual ones. (But usually they are not)

However there are much more kinds of transmission which are often called automatic (because you don't have to use a clutch).
Well known is the dual clutch transmission which basicly works like a normal gearbox, but it has two clutches which are not operated by the driver. They perform very good (compared to the older automated manual transmissions, which are often also considered automatics) and they are fuel efficient, but they have friction clutches which wear off.

What's my experience:
I usually drive both, one car with a six-speed manual and one with a eight gear hydraulic automatic transmission.
I would say that I - personally - can drive much more fuel efficient with a manual transmission in the city, because a hydraulic automatic doesn't have good engine braking (and I use it a lot).
On highways the automatic one is much more effient. It's got 2 more gears and in general the ratio is much more "fuel efficient" so it has an ultra long 8th gear. That means I can cruise at very low rpm on the autobahn at high speeds. (The engine has enough torque to do so)

But I can't compare these two cars in reality, since they are different models (3-series and 5-series) and they have different engines.
So I couldn't say that my statement above is 100% true, it's just comparing the figures in relation (so fuel consumption in the city vs. on the highway)

So I would say, that people who don't know how to do very good fuel economy through their driving style, should take an automatic transmission. But on the other hand you can drive more efficient with a manual one, but only if there's much "knowledge and prediction" needed - so typical city driving, because then you can use an optimal mixture of coasting and engine-braking.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 04:31 PM   #32298
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Greetings from Neos Marmaras,Greece.
@volodaaa i'm suggesting you to visit Spathies beach.it's 13km north of Neos Marmaras and it's beautiful.
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Old July 17th, 2015, 04:14 PM   #32300
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Greetings from Neos Marmaras,Greece.
@volodaaa i'm suggesting you to visit Spathies beach.it's 13km north of Neos Marmaras and it's beautiful.
what about cash transfers? have you come across any problems?
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