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Old January 23rd, 2016, 10:03 PM   #33341
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What, in all of Canada? Such uniformity over such a wide area. :-P
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 10:05 PM   #33342
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I think it's not so much that it's difficult, because it isn't really these days, but that it doesn't occur to most British people to do. The sea being in the way is more a mental thing I think.
"Fog in Channel: Continent Cut Off" :-)

But can you just hop across on impulse? I imagine it takes some planning (ferry or Chunnel reservations) and isn't cheap... How many Londoners say to themselves on a Friday morning, "I think I'll drive to Amsterdam for the weekend"?
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 10:05 PM   #33343
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Yes, the green card in the UK is quite a problem. I tried to get one in the last year, when visiting some Balkan states, with no effect. This year, though, I insured my wife's car with Axa, who willingly, with no extra charge, sent the green card to my home address (paper copy!). However, it's rather useless, as it's not valid in most countries which require such confirmation of insurance. So, there is plenty of crossed boxes on it: Albania, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Iran, Israel, Macedonia, Moldova, Morocco, Russia, Tunisia, Turkey including occupied by them part of Cyprus, and Ukraine. What's left? Err....Montenegro Well, so still worth to have it...
Quite strange...

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All the Balkans are included (except Kosovo, which is damage... ) and even Turkey and Ukraine

The only countries crossed are Ireland (why?) and Russia (I understand better for this one... ) and also northern Chypre
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 10:11 PM   #33344
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Quite strange...

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All the Balkans are included (except Kosovo, which is damage... ) and even Turkey and Ukraine

The only countries crossed are Ireland (why?) and Russia (I understand better for this one... ) and also northern Chypre
IR is Iran, not Ireland.
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 10:16 PM   #33345
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IR is Iran, not Ireland.
Oh, my bad!

I see, anyway, not a huge loss, I didn't meant to went there...
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 10:18 PM   #33346
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In the UK people call a road with two lanes in each direction a two lane road and so forth. So people would say that most motorways in the UK are three lane roads.

And yes, as our friend from Limoges correctly states, the lanes are normally called slow lane, middle lane and fast lane. In fact I would say that's universal in the UK. I would say that the middle and fast lanes are for overtaking and that the slow lane is for when you're not overtaking, even though that is as he quite rightly points out, wrong. Nevertheless it's what I'd say.
Well, you should be moving faster when you're overtaking (or passing). And on a busy road with a significant number of people passing (and enough people not passing that you might be "passing" for miles to get past them all), the effect is to create a fast lane.
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 10:20 PM   #33347
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I think in continental Europe it's pretty much the same everywhere. In the UK lanes are actually numbered, and especially in law enforcement they are addressed as lane 1, 2 and 3. The inside lane is the lane you enter on, the outside lane is the outer overtaking lane. A lot of people like to think of it as slow and fast lanes, which of course is wrong. All lanes have the same limits, and all lanes other than lane one (main carriageway) are overtaking lanes only.
And I'd take the "inside lane" as being the one closest to the center of the road. Which just shows that the term's unclear.
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 10:23 PM   #33348
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In the UK people call a road with two lanes in each direction a two lane road and so forth. So people would say that most motorways in the UK are three lane roads.

And yes, as our friend from Limoges correctly states, the lanes are normally called slow lane, middle lane and fast lane. In fact I would say that's universal in the UK. I would say that the middle and fast lanes are for overtaking and that the slow lane is for when you're not overtaking, even though that is as he quite rightly points out, wrong. Nevertheless it's what I'd say.
Well, in transportation business lanes are more often called: inside or nearside, relatively on two lane per carriageway and 3 lane per carriageway motorway, then middle lane if applied, and outside lane. Inside/nearside lane is the one bordering with hard shoulder. Also, quite often they are counted, starting from nearside edge of the road, as lane 1.

In my country we usually use terms: "prawy pas", "środkowy pas" and "lewy pas" (right l., middle l. and left lane)) Sometimes though, "pas zewnętrzny" (outside lane) "pas wewnętrzny" (inside lane), where, on contrary to the British example, inside lane is closest to the central reservation.
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How are lanes counted in your country? In some countries, you'll see them referred to as a total of both directions (i.e. six lanes), whereas in other countries people may refer to the number of lanes in one direction (i.e. three lanes). Some countries also use the 'x', for example, 2x2 of 2x3 lanes (like in France).

In addition, most people tend to number lanes from right to left (in a country that drives on the right), while the official lane count may be from left to right. So the first lane may be the leftmost lane, while people at least in the Netherlands would consider that the rightmost lane (even if the official definition in NL would also make it the left / inside lane).
I can confirm!

And it's the same when speaking, we say "deux fois deux voies" (for 2x2) which means "two times two lanes"
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i mostly use terms 1+1, 2+2, 3+3 (although it can be wrong in my context because it should mean that there is solid barrier in the middle). in media i mostly see terms 4-lane road for 2+2 road or motorway, or 6 lane road. but, sometimes journalists consider hard shoulder as lane, so 6 lane motorway might be actually normal 2+2.
about lanes - we usually use "driving lane" for outer lanes, and "overtaking lane" for inner. if there are 3 lanes er direction, middle lane is added as, hm, "middle lane"
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 11:30 PM   #33351
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"Fog in Channel: Continent Cut Off" :-)

But can you just hop across on impulse? I imagine it takes some planning (ferry or Chunnel reservations) and isn't cheap... How many Londoners say to themselves on a Friday morning, "I think I'll drive to Amsterdam for the weekend"?
You can try on impulse, and I suspect you'd manage but it isn't guaranteed, so yes it does take some planning. The Chunnel isn't very expensive if you book a return the same day, but the longer you go for the more expensive it is.

I highly suspect your last question is rhetorical, but the answer is none, almost all would go by plane. I'm not sure what proportion of Londoners have been to Amsterdam anyway, a few but not a majority.

I sometimes go from London to Belgium or France for a day trip, but most people wouldn't. Still, as there are a lot of people overall the crossings are fairly busy.

I would use nearside and inside as well, but I'd be more likely to use those words when referring to one side or the other of a vehicle or the actual edges of the carriageway.


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Well, you should be moving faster when you're overtaking (or passing). And on a busy road with a significant number of people passing (and enough people not passing that you might be "passing" for miles to get past them all), the effect is to create a fast lane.
Which is most of the British motorway network at any given time.
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 11:33 PM   #33352
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How are lanes counted in your country? In some countries, you'll see them referred to as a total of both directions (i.e. six lanes), whereas in other countries people may refer to the number of lanes in one direction (i.e. three lanes). Some countries also use the 'x', for example, 2x2 of 2x3 lanes (like in France).

In addition, most people tend to number lanes from right to left (in a country that drives on the right), while the official lane count may be from left to right. So the first lane may be the leftmost lane, while people at least in the Netherlands would consider that the rightmost lane (even if the official definition in NL would also make it the left / inside lane).
We don't use "x" in such context, "+" is used instead (even in the official documents). The "road with 2+2 alignment is usually referred to as four lane road". If we talk about one direction we usually add "per direction".

With the second issue we use right lane (regular) and left lane (for overtaking). There are only few cases when we have three or more lanes and the middle ones are referred to (what a surprise) middle lane or first middle lane from the left/right.

Xs are used in case of intersection/interchanges: e.g. R1xD1 is an interchange of R1 expresway and D1 motorway.

Btw. have you noticed that "expres(s)way" is not a grammatically correct word? At least according to my Mozzila spellcheck.
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You can try on impulse, and I suspect you'd manage but it isn't guaranteed, so yes it does take some planning. The Chunnel isn't very expensive if you book a return the same day, but the longer you go for the more expensive it is.

I highly suspect your last question is rhetorical, but the answer is none, almost all would go by plane. I'm not sure what proportion of Londoners have been to Amsterdam anyway, a few but not a majority.

I sometimes go from London to Belgium or France for a day trip, but most people wouldn't. Still, as there are a lot of people overall the crossings are fairly busy.

I would use nearside and inside as well, but I'd be more likely to use those words when referring to one side or the other of a vehicle or the actual edges of the carriageway.




Which is most of the British motorway network at any given time.
The Amsterdam question wasn't rhetorical, actually. I wouldn't think twice of taking a road trip to, say, Montreal or northern New England on short notice, time and funds permitting. Now, most people probably would prefer to fly, it's true. But if I lived in England, would I be able to take road trips to the Continent like that, was my question. I chose Amsterdam as a destination because it's a bit farther than northern France.
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Btw. have you noticed that "expres(s)way" is not a grammatically correct word? At least according to my Mozzila spellcheck.
Maybe because it's not used much in the UK? It's certainly correct in North American English....

Does your spellcheck reject American spellings like "tire" or "color"? (Mine would reject "tyre" or "colour.")

EDIT: Expressway does have two "S"es in English, though.
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Maybe because it's not used much in the UK? It's certainly correct in North American English....

Does your spellcheck reject American spellings like "tire" or "color"? (Mine would reject "tyre" or "colour.")

EDIT: Expressway does have two "S"es in English, though.
I have British one. It accepts some American words (tire, learned, etc.) while some not (traveling, color, labor, airplane). But what is the British alternative of an expressway then?

I found some results of "expresway" via Google though. Perhaps some kind of "lazy" slang.
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A German dictionary indicated "expressway" as American version only: http://dict.leo.org/ende/index_en.ht...dShowSingle=on.
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A German dictionary indicated "expressway" as American version only: http://dict.leo.org/ende/index_en.ht...dShowSingle=on.
Wikipedia says it is limited-access road.

Strange, because previously, we used the term "cesta pre motorové vozidlá" which literally means "road for motorized* vehicles" meeting the "british" meaning. Now (since 2009) we have been using "rýchlostná cesta" which is literally expressway meeting the "american" meaning.

*Just to make it sure:
Motorized is british, while motorised is american or vice-versa, isn't it?. Is it considered a huge mistake?
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Some parts of A38 in Britain are called "Devon Expressway". You can read about it here.
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Wikipedia says it is limited-access road.

Strange, because previously, we used the term "cesta pre motorové vozidlá" which literally means "road for motorized* vehicles" meeting the "british" meaning.
I think "limited-access road" and "Road for motorized vehicles" is "Kraftfahrstraße" in German. Roads with "happy car sign":



Colloquially, it's often called "Schnellstraße" ("fast road").
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I think "limited-access road" and "Road for motorized vehicles" is "Kraftfahrstraße" in German. Roads with "happy car sign":



Colloquially, it's often called "Schnellstraße" ("fast road").
I thought the Austrian "S" on road marking is an abbreviation of "Schnellstrasse", isn't it?
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