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Old February 29th, 2016, 03:24 PM   #33601
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Hehe, now I see I messed the country code. I had to write AT, AU is for Australia and not Austria. That would be indeed a pretty good visibility . Right through the core lol.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 04:57 PM   #33602
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I've climbed several times to Pico del Águila (a peak near Huesca) and I've seen some ridges located in Teruel province from there, 170 km away.

Anyway, I've searched the internet, and if one climbs Monte Cimone (in Italy) with the right conditions he (or she) would see the entire lenght of the Alps!!!
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Old February 29th, 2016, 06:04 PM   #33603
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Anyway, I've searched the internet, and if one climbs Monte Cimone (in Italy) with the right conditions he (or she) would see the entire lenght of the Alps!!!
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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...estPicture.jpg

It's a collage picture of the Alps. It's made up by 185 pictures taken from La Guardia, near Bologna, on 30th December 2000, during an exceptional clear sky day.
Some peaks are around 250-300km from the observation point.
Pics were taken through a telescope, though, and that explains their poor resolution, together with the early digital photo technology available back then.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 09:14 PM   #33604
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Hehe, now I see I messed the country code. I had to write AT, AU is for Australia and not Austria. That would be indeed a pretty good visibility . Right through the core lol.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 09:34 PM   #33605
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On geography; I wonder how many Europeans can point out major states like Pennsylvania, Ohio or Missouri on a blank U.S. map though. We like to make fun of the American lack of geographical knowledge, but in Europe it's not much better. Many people can't even point out on a map where they are on vacation.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 09:37 PM   #33606
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But that is from La Guardia. I meant Monte Cimone, about 50 km to the WSW. This would be the view in ideal conditions. Between W and NW the Tuscan-Emilian Apennines block the view, but then it's an uninterrupted view from Matterhorn/Cervino all the way to Triglav!
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Old February 29th, 2016, 09:38 PM   #33607
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On geography; I wonder how many Europeans can point out major states like Pennsylvania, Ohio or Missouri on a blank U.S. map though. We like to make fun of the American lack of geographical knowledge, but in Europe it's not much better. Many people can't even point out on a map where they are on vacation.
By "liking" that post, I was making fun of CNN. :-)

But I have something along those lines in Dutch if I can find it.

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http://www.humo.be/tv-en-film/360423...ond-is-filmpje

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Old February 29th, 2016, 09:43 PM   #33608
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On geography; I wonder how many Europeans can point out major states like Pennsylvania, Ohio or Missouri on a blank U.S. map though. We like to make fun of the American lack of geographical knowledge, but in Europe it's not much better. Many people can't even point out on a map where they are on vacation.
One could argue that European states and US states are two different administrative levels. A better comparison would be between US states and, say, German Bundesländer or Italian Regioni.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 09:50 PM   #33609
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True, but on the other hand I find that when Europeans criticize Americans for not being "well-traveled" enough, they really mean we don't spend enough time in Europe. Not taking into account that it's more time-consuming and expensive for us to get to, say, Austria than it is for you.

(Hey, if I were independently wealthy, I'd just go park myself in Europe for a few years and explore as much of it as possible. I'm serious.)
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Old February 29th, 2016, 09:56 PM   #33610
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One could argue that European states and US states are two different administrative levels. A better comparison would be between US states and, say, German Bundesländer or Italian Regioni.
True, but states are sometimes larger than European countries. You can't really blame Americans for mixing up Slovenia and Slovakia or the Netherlands and Denmark. They are really small.

They say that Texas is as big as France. However, that includes French Guiana. Texas is substantially larger than Metropolitan France, in fact, Texas is approximately twice the size of Germany.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 09:57 PM   #33611
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Heck, I know not only the US states, but also French and Italian regions (the French ones are pre-merger, though), and Chinese provinces (even I can tell Shanxi and Shaanxi apart in spoken language). In the case of France and Italy I even know their departments and provinces (101 and 110 respectively).
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Old February 29th, 2016, 10:19 PM   #33612
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True, but states are sometimes larger than European countries. You can't really blame Americans for mixing up Slovenia and Slovakia or the Netherlands and Denmark. They are really small.

They say that Texas is as big as France. However, that includes French Guiana. Texas is substantially larger than Metropolitan France, in fact, Texas is approximately twice the size of Germany.
I've been addicted to maps since childhood and I'd never confuse Slovenia and Slovakia, let alone the Netherlands and Denmark. But expecting us to know which one is SLO is, or which countries are in Schengen (which most Americans have never heard of) is a bit much.

Nor does it seem reasonable to criticize Americans for not knowing where, say, Tilburg is if you can't find Tulsa (which is, after all, much larger).

(I'm not picking on anyone from Tilburg. Or Tulsa. I was just looking for a pair of cities that alliterated.)
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Old February 29th, 2016, 10:21 PM   #33613
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Heck, I know not only the US states, but also French and Italian regions (the French ones are pre-merger, though), and Chinese provinces (even I can tell Shanxi and Shaanxi apart in spoken language). In the case of France and Italy I even know their departments and provinces (101 and 110 respectively).
Départements, yes. Old and new French regions, yes. Spanish regions and provinces, yes. Italian regions, yes (although I may get a bit vague along the Adriatic); provinces no.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 10:32 PM   #33614
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I've been addicted to maps since childhood and I'd never confuse Slovenia and Slovakia
It's really great considering that none of them existed in your childhood ;-)
(Well, of course I know that both Slovenia and Slovakia existed as parts of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia, respectively).
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Old February 29th, 2016, 10:55 PM   #33615
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I know lot of Slovaks who do not know the difference between Latvia and Lithuania. So putting blame on Americans is not very reasonable here. The other fact is that when I work in media, it should be my highest priority to check the correctness of information I broadcast. CNN deserves to be put in blame.
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Old March 1st, 2016, 01:22 AM   #33616
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I don't know how often Americans mess up the Netherlands and Denmark but my guess would be that only a handful of them know the difference between Dutch and Danish.

Which is perfectly OK with me. I for instance have no idea what someone from North Dakota is called.... Anyone?

But even a junior producer at CNN should know that Australia is a continent with strange animals and strange greetings (mate) that's in the Southern hemisphere.

Leading to the next question about the American approach to geography.

Why are they always talking about The Western hemisphere?

Has anyone ever heard ANYBODY talking about The Eastern hemisphere... ?
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Old March 1st, 2016, 01:25 AM   #33617
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On geography; I wonder how many Europeans can point out major states like Pennsylvania, Ohio or Missouri on a blank U.S. map though. We like to make fun of the American lack of geographical knowledge, but in Europe it's not much better. Many people can't even point out on a map where they are on vacation.
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One could argue that European states and US states are two different administrative levels. A better comparison would be between US states and, say, German Bundesländer or Italian Regioni.
Exactly. Also many US states have a quite "square-ish" shape and are thus less remarkable on a blank map than most European countries, that are often made up by islands, peninsulae, etc...
Moreover, European countries are more peculiar and different each other in terms of language, culture, history and landmarks. While anyone can associate New York with the Statue of Liberty, California with Death Valley, or Nevada with Las Vegas, it's more difficult for someone who isn't familiar with American geography and culture to associate, let's say, Delaware, Oregon or Kentucky with something particular. Many US states, Canadian provinces, Australian states, Russian oblasts or Chinese provinces can be very large, larger than many European countries, but they are less known because they haven't a distinct identity, being part of a larger country with its own identity.
I don't find that weird for an oversea average-educated guy, mix on a blank map, let's say, Latvia or Lithuania or Kosovo and Macedonia, but Austria and Australia...
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Old March 1st, 2016, 01:34 AM   #33618
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Heck, I know not only the US states, but also French and Italian regions (the French ones are pre-merger, though), and Chinese provinces (even I can tell Shanxi and Shaanxi apart in spoken language). In the case of France and Italy I even know their departments and provinces (101 and 110 respectively).
Since last year it got more complicate:
90 provinces
14 metropolitan cities
5 free inter-municipal consortiums (in Sicily)
1 autonomous region (Aosta Valley)
total: 110 sub-regional subdivisions
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old March 1st, 2016, 02:39 AM   #33620
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I don't know, I feel getting all worked up because of clearly innocent mistakes on fast-paced live news broadcasts is something so raging-hormones-at-17.

Don't take me the wrong way, I'm not saying y'all shouldn't have written about this, or that it doesn't belong on this thread, it is just that I don't understand how some ppl become so caught up and sometimes super defensive with benign things like a TV technician messing up some labels on a map shown a few seconds, and then don't let the argument go when suddenly it becomes a jab at whole countries "xyz-ers are this/that".

If the mishaps were funny, there is no need to use them for these passive-aggressive reactions so common in the Highways and Autobahns section, or to make broad generalizations of other people. We are all better than that.
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