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Old April 16th, 2016, 05:09 PM   #33801
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What's the German version of the Czech government, Tschechien?
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Old April 16th, 2016, 05:49 PM   #33802
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In Italian it would be "Cechia". The most famous sports commentator in Italy uses it commonly, it sounds weird, though.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 06:39 PM   #33803
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Czechs can only determine the Czech name, but who is competent for the English name?
We'll just call them Bohemia and Moravia like for past 1000 years

I kind of liked the "old" French name République tchèque. It always reminded me of money (well, cheques )

I think they should have just gone more simply... like they had Czechoslovakia, just call it Czecho now.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 07:44 PM   #33804
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Old April 16th, 2016, 09:30 PM   #33805
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It has to be slowly implemented in English usage. Usually name changes are not picked up overnight, but far more radical name changes have been adopted in the past (Rhodesia > Zimbabwe, Siam > Thailand, Yugoslavia > Serbia, Leningrad > St. Petersburg etc.) while others have not been successful (Côte d'Ivoire in English usage or the Myanmar / Burma dispute).
Yugoslavia and Serbia are not the same terms. Serbia was part of Yugoslavia.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 09:36 PM   #33806
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We'll just call them Bohemia and Moravia like for past 1000 years
Like Bosnia and Herzegovina, Saint Vincent and Grenadine, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Trinidad and Tobago, Sao Tome and Principe, and, formerly, Serbia and Montenegro.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 09:38 PM   #33807
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Yugoslavia and Serbia are not the same terms. Serbia was part of Yugoslavia.
Serbia and Montenegro (2003-2006) was the same territory of (Federal Repubblic of) Yugoslavia (1992-2002).
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Old April 16th, 2016, 11:23 PM   #33808
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Like Bosnia and Herzegovina, Saint Vincent and Grenadine, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Trinidad and Tobago, Sao Tome and Principe, and, formerly, Serbia and Montenegro.
The fun fact is, that Bosnia and Herzegovina does not consists of entities named neither Bosnia nor Herzegovina

Btw. I don't like the Czechia name. It sounds very artificial.
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Bosnia and Herzegovina are two geographical regions. The Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Serbian Republic of Bosnia (Sprska) are two political subdivisions issued with Dayton Agreement following 1995 ceasefire line.
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Old April 17th, 2016, 12:19 PM   #33810
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I wouldn't worry too much about people confusing it with Chechnya. You can't account for all ignorant people. There are many more countries with similar names (i.e. Niger/Nigeria, Zambia/Gambia, Mali/Malawi, Iraq/Iran, India/Indonesia etc.)
but the queens of confusions are Georgia and Georgia

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In Italian it would be "Cechia". The most famous sports commentator in Italy uses it commonly, it sounds weird, though.
i see on Wikipedia that they mention that Cechia is official, but i have never heard it from Italians who i know - they always say Repubblica Ceca.

btw, i see that in Finnish and Estonian it is Tšekki / Tšehhi. since when they have "š" in their alphabet??
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Old April 17th, 2016, 02:36 PM   #33811
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Bosnia and Herzegovina are two geographical regions. The Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Serbian Republic of Bosnia (Sprska) are two political subdivisions issued with Dayton Agreement following 1995 ceasefire line.
It's called "Republika Srpska" (or "Republic of Srpska"), sometimes just "Srpska" (which means "Serbian" in Serbian).
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Old April 18th, 2016, 02:45 PM   #33812
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Czechs can only determine the Czech name, but who is competent for the English name?
The Czech name is "Česko". There exists also "Čechie" in the Czech language. It is the latinized version of the national "spirit" and you may say nation in the same sense as the Germans made "Germanie"

I would not mind if the English short version of Czech Republic would simply become Czech. And in fact I like the long version Czech Republic.

Yeah, Czech is not a noun in English when talking about the country, but it could become one quite easily. It has been used like that already on some sport jerseys anyway.

Czechlands would not be that bad either. It would give some historical continuity to it.
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Old April 18th, 2016, 03:12 PM   #33813
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I never understood why English language took Polish "cz" for "č" in the case of Czech Repulic...
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Old April 18th, 2016, 03:26 PM   #33814
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I never understood why English language took Polish "cz" for "č" in the case of Czech Repulic...
It has been also a Czech cz, or rather . After the introduction of diacritics in the Czech language in the 15th century, there's been an orthographic reform in the 18-19th century.

So from cz it went to and then to č.


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Knijžka w Cžeském a Německém Jazyku složená, kterakby Cžech Německý a Němec Cžeský čijsti, psáti, y mluwiti, včiti se měl : Ein Büchlein in Behemischer vnd Deutscher Sprach, wie ein Behem Deutsch, dessgleichen ein Deutscher Behemisch lesen, schreiben vnd reden, lernen sol
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Old April 18th, 2016, 04:13 PM   #33815
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Should be called Cheque Republic.
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Old April 18th, 2016, 04:23 PM   #33816
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The Czech name is "Česko". There exists also "Čechie" in the Czech language. It is the latinized version of the national "spirit" and you may say nation in the same sense as the Germans made "Germanie"

I would not mind if the English short version of Czech Republic would simply become Czech. And in fact I like the long version Czech Republic.

Yeah, Czech is not a noun in English when talking about the country, but it could become one quite easily. It has been used like that already on some sport jerseys anyway.

Czechlands would not be that bad either. It would give some historical continuity to it.
Complicated. Anything containing "cz" or similar is annoying. The name is Tsekki in Finnish. Simple is that.
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Old April 18th, 2016, 07:00 PM   #33817
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Who gave the UN jurisdiction over how English-speakers (or anyone else) speaks their own language?
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Old April 18th, 2016, 08:23 PM   #33818
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Who gave the UN jurisdiction over how English-speakers (or anyone else) speaks their own language?
Ivory Coast demands that the name of the country would be "Cote d'Ivoire" in all languages. So you can keep calling it Ivory Coast, but in formal contexts it has to be Cote d'Ivoire.
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Old April 18th, 2016, 08:36 PM   #33819
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Why do people get so worked up as if an UN white-hat army would descend to enforce official names?

Countries can choose the name they are going to be referred to in multi-lateral agencies like UN. For practical reasons, and to avoid all sorts of controversies, many other international bodies or private organizations follow suit.

It bothers me (and increasingly so) how some people, many people, think that the attempt to fix or work out some sort of official convention or practice necessarily means some draconian authoritarian power imposing them at any costs. Chill out, everyone.
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Old April 18th, 2016, 09:29 PM   #33820
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Ivory Coast demands that the name of the country would be "Cote d'Ivoire" in all languages. So you can keep calling it Ivory Coast, but in formal contexts it has to be Cote d'Ivoire.
Why, though? If Germany insisted that everyone call it "Deutschland" in all languages, would you accept that?
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