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Old May 15th, 2016, 11:34 PM   #33981
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“The transponder’s personalised signal would be picked up when the car passed through an intersection, and then relayed to a central computer which would calculate the charge according to the intersection and the time of day and add it to the car’s bill” - Nobel Economics Prize winner William Vickrey, proposing a system of electronic tolling for the Washington metropolitan area, 1959
In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old May 15th, 2016, 11:42 PM   #33982
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And I was using Map24.
I was already using Google Maps back then. Street View had been introduced in Spain the previous year, in March it came to Zaragoza, and most of the country was covered by October.
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Old May 15th, 2016, 11:44 PM   #33983
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Some of those maps are really interesting, some simply funny, some wrong. E.g. England has never ever invaded Hungary.
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Old May 15th, 2016, 11:54 PM   #33984
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Guys, have mercy on people using mobile devices, no need to plaster 50 images without space on a single post.
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Old May 15th, 2016, 11:55 PM   #33985
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I was already using Google Maps back then. Street View had been introduced in Spain the previous year, in March it came to Zaragoza, and most of the country was covered by October.
I liked when Google made a clear distinction of toll roads with a red tone (didn't work in all countries though).

I also liked Via Michelin a lot! Pity they kinda abandoned the map project.
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Old May 16th, 2016, 01:14 AM   #33986
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Guys, have mercy on people using mobile devices, no need to plaster 50 images without space on a single post.
It's a single, very long, JPEG image.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old May 16th, 2016, 01:16 AM   #33987
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I liked when Google made a clear distinction of toll roads with a red tone (didn't work in all countries though).

I also liked Via Michelin a lot! Pity they kinda abandoned the map project.
I think it's good that now Google marks all divided, grade-separated roads in the same way (orange), regardless their official status (motorway or expressway) or their toll. Before, there were some de-facto motorways marked like simple 1+1 roads.
Toll motorways now are recognizable by black edges, that don't appear on toll-free motorways. You need to zoom quite a bit to see the difference, though.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old May 16th, 2016, 11:54 AM   #33988
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Guys, have mercy on people using mobile devices, no need to plaster 50 images without space on a single post.
That's one single 600×18,000 pixel JPEG image.
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Old May 16th, 2016, 01:39 PM   #33989
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That's one single 600×18,000 pixel JPEG image.
In that case, does it need to be here? Why not a link for those interested? I'm not saying it is against the rules or anything, it is just common internet courtesy, like not writing in all caps.
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Old May 16th, 2016, 01:48 PM   #33990
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In that case, does it need to be here? Why not a link for those interested? I'm not saying it is against the rules or anything, it is just common internet courtesy, like not writing in all caps.
Per my experience, nobody bothers opening an external link. The only way to get your pictures seen is to attach them directly to the forum.
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Old May 16th, 2016, 02:58 PM   #33991
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True. A single click is too much effort for many.
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Old May 16th, 2016, 08:54 PM   #33992
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Is this sign in decent Polish?
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Old May 16th, 2016, 09:39 PM   #33993
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What does it mean? That it will photograph and send you a fine at home only if you have EU license plates?

More, which are the rules for the "low emission" zone? This is not the typical German sign for city centers.
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Low Emission Zones are not standardized across the EU. The German 'Umweltzone' is just one of many systems in use across the continent.

This one is in Rotterdam. They will send out fines to offenders. However, it is somewhat unlikely that foreign visitors will drive an old car all the way into Rotterdam. Diesel cars older than 16 years are banned, as well as petrol cars older than 24 years.
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Old May 16th, 2016, 10:00 PM   #33995
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What about reconditioned historical cars?

Plus, if you drive a 20-year old car which might be either petrol or diesel, how do they know that without actually stopping you (especially if the car is registered outside-NL)?
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Old May 16th, 2016, 10:32 PM   #33996
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They will probably use the EUCARIS system. However, enforcing it would be more difficult than accessing the specifications of foreign-plated cars.
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Old May 16th, 2016, 11:46 PM   #33997
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More, which are the rules for the "low emission" zone? This is not the typical German sign for city centers.
No, it's a Dutch sign obviously. And I'm rather surprised the first text is in English and only the second one in Dutch. Chris, is it in the port area where there are a lot of foreign drivers?
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Old May 16th, 2016, 11:51 PM   #33998
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It's in the far north-east of the city (click), so about as far away from the harbour as you can get without going out of Rotterdam
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EU needs an uniform sign for all these environmental zones, and a uniform coding system based on EURO pollution rating. No city or country should be allowed to use criteria other than EURO to determine who can or cannot access an environmental zone. This thing is spreading like the plague to the point where, just to be safe, one needs to check the internet before driving into a given city just to check out if they have or not some environmental zone and how does it operate. You cannot infer if your vehicle is allowed or not based on sign (something you can when it comes to height, weight, length restrictions etc).
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Old May 17th, 2016, 01:41 AM   #34000
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EU should do better and simply ban such restrictions entirely - clearly it is an infringement on the free movement of goods and people
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