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Old July 26th, 2016, 11:30 PM   #34221
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That has been around since the beginning, see restrictions on geographic data in China on Wikipedia.
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Old July 26th, 2016, 11:48 PM   #34222
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Yes, and the main square in the center of Ljubljana is written in Arabic.
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and i have found several Rastplatz things on Croatian motorways
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Old July 27th, 2016, 12:09 AM   #34223
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Awkward and strange times we are living in now. I open newspapers and see the tittle: "The German attacker was a psychopath" and I do not know if the article deal with the one from today or from Friday.
Sunday afternoon or sunday evening?

Friday but you forgot Monday

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But ... I drove in lots of similar congestions in Germany, and never overtook a car the queue driving on the shoulder. Not any. In Hungary a lot of cars did it.
Well, I don't drive much in NRW but I think it's quite common in Germany to use hard shoulder illegally in case of congestion... Maybe less compared to other countries...

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It was less than 500 m from my exit, so it is legal to drive on the shoulder until the exit (at least in Italy, but I'm pretty sure in Germany too).
It's generally NOT allowed to use hard shoulders except of an emergency to stop your car there. It's often reported that it's not allowed to drive there in case of a congestion.

I've seen many times that cars or trucks block the hard shoulder.


I arrived in Norway today. Drove on motorway when the left lane was closed due to construction works. I'm used to merge late because it's mentatory in Germany (and makes sense!) but was (almost) blocked far away from the end of the lane by a car driving slowly to the left. I passed him though. When merging, the caravan in front of and a truck behind of me on the right tried me to not merge. I've managed it though . I'm happy that most of stupid German drivers have learned how to merge but I was really boggled today...

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Old July 27th, 2016, 01:30 AM   #34224
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I also merge as late as possible (ALAP ). If I won't, then someone else will. Besides, what's the point of creating one long line instead of two shorter lines?
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Old July 27th, 2016, 02:51 AM   #34225
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I'm used to merge late because it's mentatory in Germany (and makes sense!) but was (almost) blocked far away from the end of the lane by a car driving slowly to the left..
Where I live people always merge early and then get mad about people merging at the proper time.
In the morning commute there is a ramp where two lanes exist, and the right lane merges. The left lane always blocked and the right, typically free.
A few times people swerve out of the left into the right to block me but I zip on the shoulder and wave a single finger
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Old July 27th, 2016, 09:38 AM   #34226
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I arrived in Norway today. Drove on motorway when the left lane was closed due to construction works. I'm used to merge late because it's mentatory in Germany (and makes sense!) but was (almost) blocked far away from the end of the lane by a car driving slowly to the left. I passed him though. When merging, the caravan in front of and a truck behind of me on the right tried me to not merge. I've managed it though . I'm happy that most of stupid German drivers have learned how to merge but I was really boggled today...

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Merging late is mandatory in Germany?! I always thought of this as the most stupid and annoying habit of German drivers. I've seen drivers ignoring the possibility to easily merge in order to reach the end of the lane... And then get stuck. I was thinking "what's wrong with these guys"? In Italy we merge when there's space, and there is generally less delay in merging zones than in Germany.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 10:28 AM   #34227
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Merging late is mandatory in Germany?!
There are many "Reißverschluss erst in 600m" signs, i.e. "No merging before 600m" (of course any other number is possible).
On the other side you may be sure that each car in the lane which goes on will let one car from the closing lane in. You shall not even check whether they let you in. Reißverschluss means literally "zip" and this zip-merging is mandatory both in Germany and in Austria.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 10:31 AM   #34228
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From my point of view, it's utter madness.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 10:39 AM   #34229
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It's proven the fastest way if the traffic is heavy.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 10:56 AM   #34230
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Zipper merges also apply in the Netherlands. They seem to work reasonably well, though it also seems to be frowned upon if you merge at the very last moment.

On the other hand, we don't have lane closures on busy motorways like in Germany, so there's almost no congestion due to road works (less than 3%). Lane or motorway closures are only at night or occassionaly on weekends.

A situation like last weekend with a busy Autobahn like A3 or A7 going to a single lane on one of the busiest holiday exodus days of the year would be unthinkable in the Netherlands.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 11:02 AM   #34231
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It's proven the fastest way if the traffic is heavy.
Maybe, but my experience is quite the opposite.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 11:07 AM   #34232
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That's because in Italy driving is done differently
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Old July 27th, 2016, 11:10 AM   #34233
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I simply don't see the point in waiting up to the last moment to merge when you can do it before, provided there's enough space and you don't make anyone brake or slow down...
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Old July 27th, 2016, 11:36 AM   #34234
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Not sure on motorways, but I encountered this in the city, and merging before and creating a long queue resulted in having a long empty lane and getting stuck on a green light or blocking other intersections on the way...
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Old July 27th, 2016, 11:46 AM   #34235
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Google maps have changed designs so that expressways can be now distinguished from motorways at the first glance(I'll show the map of the Lodz voivodership: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6283699,19.5527494,8z.. Unfortunately, not without flaws, such as with the M03 in Ukraine between Kyiv and Boryspil
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Old July 27th, 2016, 12:11 PM   #34236
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I simply don't see the point in waiting up to the last moment to merge when you can do it before, provided there's enough space and you don't make anyone brake or slow down...
It's a shame to see everyone moving from lane 2 > 1 when seeing the merge sign 2 km before, keeping that 2 km of precious space unused.
If everyone goes from 2>1 too early, the queue might become too long and disturb traffic on intersections further behind, especially in heavily congested countries like NL & B. So it makes sense to utilize all available asphalt. In Belgium this behaviour is also mandatory. I always drive until the end of the lane, but I make sure the speed difference with the other lane is not too big, otherwise other people will think this is asocial behavior.

Unless of course you are talking about a situation where there is no congestion, then you are right.

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If the main line is moving reasonably fast, then it's indeed better to merge ASAP, otherwise late merging will create unnecessary congestion.
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That's exactly my point. What I was saying is that, that kind of signals forces you to wait to the end of the lane to merge, even when you can do that earlier with less problems - and that's exactly what I saw in my little experience in Germany.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 07:53 PM   #34239
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I completely agree with cinxxx. There is almost no difference between merging at the end of a lane and merging at the very start of the congestion. You still need to find a gap between two cars. You are, furthermore, unable to prevent the situation from drivers using the closing lane.

The best scenario is to merge just before an obstacle. If all drivers kept the distance between car, it would really resemble a zip.
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There is almost no difference between merging at the end of a lane and merging at the very start of the congestion. You still need to find a gap between two cars.
I wasn't actually talking about merging and finding a gap between cars at the beginning, just placing yourself as the last car in line (but only if there's no congestion, otherwise I proceed to the end).
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