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Old July 27th, 2016, 11:26 PM   #34241
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It's said that it's SAFER and faster to merge late because it happens at one location only. If some cars merge earlier, others later, always cars change the lane and cars have to brake again and again. Drivers have to focus to the front, left, right,... Everywhere. Higher risk of rear-end collision.

If it's only one location and zip ("1 car from left, 1 car from right, 1 car from left, 1 car from right,...") works, it's safer and faster.

Of course, if both lanes are (almost) empty, one can merge everywhere w/o any negative impact.
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Old July 28th, 2016, 01:13 AM   #34242
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Old July 28th, 2016, 09:48 AM   #34243
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It's said that it's SAFER and faster to merge late because it happens at one location only. If some cars merge earlier, others later, always cars change the lane and cars have to brake again and again. Drivers have to focus to the front, left, right,... Everywhere. Higher risk of rear-end collision.

If it's only one location and zip ("1 car from left, 1 car from right, 1 car from left, 1 car from right,...") works, it's safer and faster.

Of course, if both lanes are (almost) empty, one can merge everywhere w/o any negative impact.
Merging in one location may be safer, but it's not faster at all.
I can't imagine this process to be faster when all cars concentrate on one point, rather than merging at the first easy possibility.
Think of two rivers joining their course: water molecules won't join the other river all in one spot: they distribute over a wider area.
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Old July 28th, 2016, 09:54 AM   #34244
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That's a wrong analogy. If you want to compare the 2 then I'd like to see a picture of a river where the last 300 meters or so before a narrower bit there's a dry part of riverbed cause all the water has already 'merged'.
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Old July 28th, 2016, 09:59 AM   #34245
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That's a wrong analogy. If you want to compare the 2 then I'd like to see a picture of a river where the last 300 meters or so before a narrower bit there's a dry part of riverbed cause all the water has already 'merged'.
If water molecules had will, they would be doing that

I see your point. All I am saying is that, in case of heavy traffic, you are right. But when traffic is light, I think you are not. Putting a sign like that, forcing a behavior that is not the best one in every condition, to my opinion is unnecessarily strict.
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Old July 28th, 2016, 11:57 AM   #34246
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Dura lex, sed lex... We can't do anything about this sign but to discuss, as I don't think the local road agency reads SSC...
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Old July 28th, 2016, 12:02 PM   #34247
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Dura lex, sed lex... We can't do anything about this sign but to discuss, as I don't think the local road agency reads SSC...
I know... it's just for the sake of discussion
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Old July 28th, 2016, 10:51 PM   #34248
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I can't imagine this process to be faster when all cars concentrate on one point, rather than merging at the first easy possibility.
Again, if the road is "empty", you're right .

According to my experience, if the jam appears "suddenly", everyone slows down. All vehicles (almost) stop. Afterwards, stop & go till the end of the lane. This is what I'm talking about! Or a very busy road.

There would be an easy opportunity to merge earlier only if a driver is sleeping and doesn't go the same speed like the car ahead. I'm quite sure that the "sleeping variant" is slower than the late merge variant! It's proved that the best traffic flow happens when all vehicles constantly drive (almost) on the same speed.

It's a general issue. If just one car slows down, the next one slightly taps on the brake, the next one sees red lights and brakes et cetera. It's a series of reactions. It's possible that cars at the end of the queue must stop. With late merge, this situation happens only at one location. If early merge, this situation happens anywhere anytime many times. The result is worse.

In addition, I've often seen that cars use every gap in a traffic jam (stop & go). This includes space on the left lane which is filled by cars from the right lane just some hundreds of meters in front of the end of the left lane....

btw: Nevertheless, I like the Italian way of driving although I have only "city experience" from Torino...
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Old July 28th, 2016, 11:07 PM   #34249
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btw: Nevertheless, I like the Italian way of driving although I have only "city experience" from Torino...
When I was in Torino, some guy just drove through red light like nothing happened. And when I was in Budapest in 1996, some guy behind us was honking us because we were waiting at red light.
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Old July 28th, 2016, 11:18 PM   #34250
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When I was in Torino, some guy just drove through red light like nothing happened.
I think I already wrote long ago that I was on a business trip in Torino with a colleague. I had a rental car in Italy and we went back to Germany by plane. I took a rental car at Frankfurt airport and my colleague said after I passed the first traffic lights: "We are back in Germany. Forget the Italian way of driving. The last traffic light was red!"...
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Old July 28th, 2016, 11:32 PM   #34251
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When I was in Torino, some guy just drove through red light like nothing happened.
They still do, I can assure you. I was shocked when I moved here.
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Old July 29th, 2016, 12:57 AM   #34252
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Budapest, finally:

http://dialnice.info/gallery/image_p...image_id=34255
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Old one:
https://www.google.sk/maps/@48.20004...7i13312!8i6656
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Old July 29th, 2016, 10:48 AM   #34253
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Old July 29th, 2016, 04:11 PM   #34254
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The fastest route between Lille (France) and Trieste (Italy) goes through 7 different countries (F-B-L-D-A-SLO-I), even if France and Italy are neighbouring countries.
https://www.google.it/maps/dir/Lilla...2!2d45.6495264
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old July 29th, 2016, 04:38 PM   #34255
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Only 5, at this time it skips Belgium and Luxembourg and enters Germany directly from France. However, the shorter route still goes through seven countries.
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Usually it's the one that goes through 7 countries that is quickest by 9 minutes, however there are delays in both Belgium and in Luxembourg that accumulate to 22 minutes of extra travel time which tips the scale in favor of the route with the direct FR-D border.
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Old July 29th, 2016, 05:12 PM   #34257
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The fastest route between Lille (France) and Trieste (Italy) goes through 7 different countries (F-B-L-D-A-SLO-I), even if France and Italy are neighbouring countries.
https://www.google.it/maps/dir/Lilla...2!2d45.6495264
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Old July 29th, 2016, 06:25 PM   #34258
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Karawanken tunnel between Austria and Slovenia will be closed tomorrow due to a visit from Vladimir Putin in Slovenia. Now the question is: will Slovenia be the 2nd Kaliningrad for Russia?
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Old July 29th, 2016, 06:45 PM   #34259
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What does the tunnel have to do with Putin? Why can't it stay open?
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Old July 29th, 2016, 06:56 PM   #34260
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I haven't understood that either.
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