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Old August 4th, 2016, 08:07 PM   #34281
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It's Don Coyote.
That must be the one, I 've never met this version.
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Old August 4th, 2016, 08:38 PM   #34282
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My spanish friends, I have a question. Is it Don Quixote or Quijote?
Don Quijote in modern Spanish. Don Quixote is the 17th-century spelling.

This spelling is still used in some place names like México or Texas, but the pronunciation is like a stronger English "h", not a "ks" sound.
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Old August 4th, 2016, 08:40 PM   #34283
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Don Quijote in modern Spanish. Don Quixote is the 17th-century spelling.

This spelling is still used in some place names like México or Texas, but the pronunciation is like a stronger English "h", not a "ks" sound.
Well, it makes sence. In Hungary it is with "j" and pronounced with the "h".
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Old August 4th, 2016, 11:07 PM   #34284
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I wonder if this is the first abandoned eight-lane motorway in the world. It's southwest of Cairo, Egypt.

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Old August 4th, 2016, 11:41 PM   #34285
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Road infrastructures in North African countries are something amazing, if we consider the poverty, internal problems and conflicts that afflict those countries.

Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Egypt have different motorways hundreds of kilometers long connecting main cities. In Algeria the E-W highway is 3x2 all the way for more than 1,000km. How many other countries have 1,000km of 3x2 motorway? In Europe none, maybe USA or China. In Egypt, I read that the Cairo-Alexandria motorway (that was mentioned a lot on our media, due to the Regeni affair), was upgraded to 4x2 lanes in 2003, that means 2 years before the first 4x2 motorway in Italy (one of the pioneer countries in motorway construction).
On the other hand, there are some EU countries like Poland, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and the Baltics that still have a very small and fragmented motorway system, with still many 1+1 sections between main cities. And those countries have a much better economy (not to mention internal stability), than North African countries.
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Old August 4th, 2016, 11:55 PM   #34286
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Yes, roads are one of few good things in MENA. Much better than Sub-Saharan Africa or Russia.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 02:28 PM   #34287
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Road infrastructures in North African countries are something amazing, if we consider the poverty, internal problems and conflicts that afflict those countries.
Then again, it's nothing spectacular if you look at the population density. Especially in Egypt, you have most of the peopole living in a very confined semi-urban area which creates huge traffic flows which is not at all comparable to most EU countries you mentioned.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 03:58 PM   #34288
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Old August 5th, 2016, 04:14 PM   #34289
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It wasn't until the last 10 years that the Algerian and Egyptian motorway systems underwent massive expansion. Before 2005 those countries had some dual carriageways and motorways, but most of it was built rather recently. Tunisia and Morocco have a longer history of motorway construction. For example in Algeria, very little of A1 existed before 2005, mostly near Algiers. Egypt is building new motorways at a frantic pace in the Nile Delta and Greater Cairo nowadays.
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When I was in Tunisia in 2004 our guide told us that the motorway and railway networks were so good largely because of the strong French influence in the country, being a former French protectorate and all.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 06:02 PM   #34291
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Road infrastructures in North African countries are something amazing, if we consider the poverty, internal problems and conflicts that afflict those countries.

Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Egypt have different motorways hundreds of kilometers long connecting main cities. In Algeria the E-W highway is 3x2 all the way for more than 1,000km. How many other countries have 1,000km of 3x2 motorway?
It must be much cheaper to build a 2×3 motorway in the desert than build a 2×1 national road in a densely built montanous area.
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North African motorways aren't always your typical route through the desert. Much of A1 in Algeria was built through mountainous terrain. Likewise, Egypt is constructing motorways in the densely populated Nile delta, requiring a lot of bridges.

Interestingly, Libya never developed a large motorway network, there is only a few dozen kilometers of true motorway, although the coastal road is mostly a dual carriageway. The low population of Libya is likely a factor, but they had large oil revenues relative to population. Car ownership in Libya is the highest in Africa though.

The French built basic road infrastructure in most of their colonies. It's interesting to observe how many roads were constructed in Africa and Indochina in the 1930s. Most of the basic road network in these countries were developed during colonial times.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 06:41 PM   #34293
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The French built basic road infrastructure in most of their colonies. It's interesting to observe how many roads were constructed in Africa and Indochina in the 1930s. Most of the basic road network in these countries were developed during colonial times.
In Lybia and Italian East Africa the basic road networks were built by Italian colonizers. The Lybian coastal road, the Addis Abeba-Asmara road and many other were even fully paved with asphalt by the late 1930s.
In Lybia, a coastal motorway between Tunisia and Egypt was planned during Geddafi regime, but it never concretized because of the fall of the regime and the consequent civil war. Italy was supposed to partly finance it as 'WWII repairation', as it was stated in a very controversial treaty (that included topics related to bi-lateral trade and refugees management) signed between Italy (under Berlusconi government) and Geddafi. This was quite sad, considering that Geddafi in 1970 expelled with force all Italian nationals living in Lybia and confiscated their propertries.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 07:28 PM   #34294
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When I was in Tunisia in 2004 our guide told us that the motorway and railway networks were so good largely because of the strong French influence in the country, being a former French protectorate and all.
I don't understand why this should be French influence beside the layout of the roads. Every country needs and all people want good infrastructure.

Even though a lot of infrastructure was built by the French and Spanish during the colonial period, it's still the responsibility of the people today to maintain that infrastructure.

I know a lot of bridges and railways in Morocco build by the Spanish that are now falling apart or are completely abandoned. A lot of bridges of that time had to be fully rebuilt because they were too narrow for current traffic.
Some Spanish railways became useless after Moroccan independence because track width was only 1m.

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I think it was more to do with the culture, habit and know-how of building and maintaining infrastructure, rather than the French actually building the infrastructure you can see today.

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Interestingly, Libya never developed a large motorway network, there is only a few dozen kilometers of true motorway, although the coastal road is mostly a dual carriageway. The low population of Libya is likely a factor, but they had large oil revenues relative to population. Car ownership in Libya is the highest in Africa though.
Yes, they had oil money but as you said it yourself, the population density is low, especially compared to the coastal areas of Tunisia or Algeria, for example:
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Lodz, Poland

Highway roller built in Poland in 1925 was meticulously restored by Lodz branch of GDDKiA (Polish road directorate) and placed on display in Lodz. Full restoration (each individual part was restored) cost over 100.000 dollars. GDDKiA promises that more such historical equipment used in road building will be restored and displayed in prominent places in the future.





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Very nice

Hopefully it won't be vandalized (as it likely would in the Netherlands...)
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Old August 6th, 2016, 03:35 PM   #34298
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They should post 65 km/h (and tolerate it), so that people get used to it easier.
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