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Old September 7th, 2016, 08:15 PM   #34421
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A small question for those who knows : which Balkan country has the cheapest diesel prices? (Between Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, Albania and Kosovo)

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Old September 7th, 2016, 08:48 PM   #34422
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I took a 6134 kilometer vacation / road trip over the past 12 days. The main destination was the Spanish side of the Pyreneees. I've been to Catalunya, Aragón, Navarra and Basque Country.

The map is rough, I've driven much more roads in the Pyrenees (otherwise I wouldn't have driven 6000+ kms) and I've also been to Zaragoza and Vitoria.
Wow, how many km have you driven so far over the year? 20,000?

Did you drive the Etzegarate pass (N-I)? And, if so, north- or southbound? Also, how did you like L'Occitane (A20)? I've heard it's quite scenic in some parts.
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Old September 7th, 2016, 08:58 PM   #34423
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I bought this car in January, I've driven 18,000 kms with it, of which 14,000 km was driven outside the Netherlands

The fuel mileage is quite good, I usually get 19 to 20 km per liter (around 5 L/100 km). Mountain driving actually gets me the best mileage, despite consuming 10-12L/100 km on long inclines, it's of course 0L/100 km going down (only idling and A/C, the car indicates 0L/100 km for that).

I did drive the Etzegarate / Extegarate Pass, it's quite nice.

In Spain I drove the following motorways;

* AP-7 La Jonquera - Girona
* A-2 near Girona (short stretch)
* C-25 the entire route from Girona to Cervera (scenic!)
* A-2 from Cevera to Lleida
* A-14 near Lleida
* AP-2 Lleida - Zaragoza
* Z-40 around Zaragoza
* A-23 Zaragoza - Monrepos Pass
* A-22 Huesca - Lleida
* C-13 in Lleida
* A-23 Sabiñánigo - Jaca
* A-21 Asso-Veral - Pamplona
* PA-30 around Pamplona
* A-15 / AP-15 Pamplona - San Sebastian
* A-10 Irurtzun - Altsasu
* A-1 Vitoria - Altsasu
* A-1/N-1 Altsasu - San Sebastián
* GI-20 through San Sebastián
* GI-632 Beasain - Antzuola
* N-636 Elorrio - Durango

And a large number of roads in the Pyrenees, including 3 mountain passes on the French border (Pierre St. Matin, Portalet, Larrau) and Port de la Bonaigua, the highest one I've driven.

Regarding A20 in France, it's scenic mostly from La Souterraine to Montauban, with the most scenic area being around Cahors (i.e. the Dordogne area). It's no match for A75, however.
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Old September 7th, 2016, 09:23 PM   #34424
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I did drive the Etzegarate / Extegarate Pass, it's quite nice.
* A-1/N-1 Altsasu - San Sebastián
Oh, so you drove the newest carriageway, you didn't get the chance to enjoy the hairpins
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9549.../data=!3m1!1e3

Anyway, you drove some pretty scenic routes I agree that the C-25 through the Guilleries mountains is amazing. Did you drive the short stretch of the A-14 on purpose? From what I've heard, it actually takes more time than the old N-230.

Larrau is one of my favourite mountain passes. It has a very high-mountain feeling and it even features a corkscrew on the Spanish side: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9636.../data=!3m1!1e3
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Old September 7th, 2016, 09:23 PM   #34425
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Zaragoza-Pamplona through the route you picked is quite a fun drive. It can very extremely windy at some points.
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Old September 7th, 2016, 09:59 PM   #34426
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Of course matematically it's closer to 1/3: (41-~33.33=~7.67)<(50-41=9)
There are quite few "of course" things in the world.

In the arithmetic sequence y(x+1) = y(x)+1/6; y(0) = 1/3, 0.41 is closer to 1/3 because y(0.5) = 5/12 = 0.41667 > 0.41

In the geometric sequence y(x+1) = y(x)*3/2; y(0) = 1/3, 0.41 is closer to 1/2 because y(0.5) = sqrt(1/6) = 0.4082 < 0.41

In the harmonic sequence y(x) = 1/(3-x); y(0) = 1/3; 0.41 is closer to 1/2 because y(0.5) = 1/((2+3)/2) = 0.40 < 0.41

In the octal notation (base 8), 0.41 = 4/8+1/64 = 33/64 > 1/2, thus closer to 1/2.

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Old September 7th, 2016, 10:06 PM   #34427
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Larrau is one of my favourite mountain passes. It has a very high-mountain feeling and it even features a corkscrew on the Spanish side: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9636.../data=!3m1!1e3
That's the Pierre St Martin Pass (I don't know if it has a name in Spanish, it is not posted there). Larrau is one pass to the west, which is also quite nice, I took a hike there.

Some of the landscape in the area looks very similar to the Sierra Nevada in California, especially the exposed rocks with pine trees around Pierre St Martin Pass and Garganta del Escalar. Then again some of those 'congosts' in western Catalunya look similar to Arizona or Utah.
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Old September 7th, 2016, 10:55 PM   #34428
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I am now on a cruise ship between Sweden and Finland. This ship makes a quick stop on Aaland islands for the sole purpose of beeing allowed to sell tax free items. There's a big shop here and the locals buy dozens of alcohol bottles and cigarettes.
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Old September 7th, 2016, 11:01 PM   #34429
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That's the Pierre St Martin Pass (I don't know if it has a name in Spanish, it is not posted there). Larrau is one pass to the west, which is also quite nice, I took a hike there.

Some of the landscape in the area looks very similar to the Sierra Nevada in California, especially the exposed rocks with pine trees around Pierre St Martin Pass and Garganta del Escalar. Then again some of those 'congosts' in western Catalunya look similar to Arizona or Utah.
In Spanish it's Piedra de San Martín. Also, have you driven the Ventamillo gorge? That is both scenic and damn challenging.
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I bought this car in January, I've driven 18,000 kms with it, of which 14,000 km was driven outside the Netherlands

The fuel mileage is quite good, I usually get 19 to 20 km per liter (around 5 L/100 km). Mountain driving actually gets me the best mileage, despite consuming 10-12L/100 km on long inclines, it's of course 0L/100 km going down (only idling and A/C, the car indicates 0L/100 km for that).

I did drive the Etzegarate / Extegarate Pass, it's quite nice.

In Spain I drove the following motorways;

* AP-7 La Jonquera - Girona
* A-2 near Girona (short stretch)
* C-25 the entire route from Girona to Cervera (scenic!)
* A-2 from Cevera to Lleida
* A-14 near Lleida
* AP-2 Lleida - Zaragoza
* Z-40 around Zaragoza
* A-23 Zaragoza - Monrepos Pass
* A-22 Huesca - Lleida
* C-13 in Lleida
* A-23 Sabiñánigo - Jaca
* A-21 Asso-Veral - Pamplona
* PA-30 around Pamplona
* A-15 / AP-15 Pamplona - San Sebastian
* A-10 Irurtzun - Altsasu
* A-1 Vitoria - Altsasu
* A-1/N-1 Altsasu - San Sebastián
* GI-20 through San Sebastián
* GI-632 Beasain - Antzuola
* N-636 Elorrio - Durango

And a large number of roads in the Pyrenees, including 3 mountain passes on the French border (Pierre St. Matin, Portalet, Larrau) and Port de la Bonaigua, the highest one I've driven.

Regarding A20 in France, it's scenic mostly from La Souterraine to Montauban, with the most scenic area being around Cahors (i.e. the Dordogne area). It's no match for A75, however.
There are two sections you cannot have done: A-23 Isuela gorge-Arguis (U/C, and also Nueno-Isuela gorge as due to a rockslide all traffic has to use Southbound lanes) and A-21 Tiermas-Sigües (not even yet U/C). Also, you haven't driven A-23 near Sabiñanigo (The section bypassing part of it from South to East, not the one to Jaca)? It's not on your list.

I realized we both clinched the latest section of A-21 (Sigües to A-1601) on the same day.
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Old September 7th, 2016, 11:31 PM   #34430
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In the harmonic sequence y(x) = 1/(3-x); y(0) = 1/3; 0.41 is closer to 1/2 because y(0.5) = 1/((2+3)/2) = 0.40 < 0.41
Ignoring the official formula, we can see that 100% ÷ 41% = 2.4, which is closer to 2 than to 3. Also, 1 ÷ 2.5 = 0.4 = 40%.
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Old September 8th, 2016, 01:46 AM   #34431
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Wow, how many km have you driven so far over the year? 20,000?
Crazy Europeans and their small countries

I made maybe 40 000 km in past 12 months

I am just driving to work and home mostly, not even a good vacation
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Old September 8th, 2016, 01:49 AM   #34432
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Small country has nothing to do with that, my neighbour drives over 70k per year...

Chris also cycles to work, so that makes the amount of kms travelled/year a lot smaller. You just live (relatively) far away from where you work...
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Old September 8th, 2016, 07:31 AM   #34433
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I am now on a cruise ship between Sweden and Finland. This ship makes a quick stop on Aaland islands for the sole purpose of beeing allowed to sell tax free items. There's a big shop here and the locals buy dozens of alcohol bottles and cigarettes.
This is not the most balanced view to what happens there.

In fact, they are not cruise ships but big car and passenger ferries equipped with a large restaurant and shopping area. They carry a big fraction of the import/export to and from Finland, as well as of the passenger traffic. As the map shows, Finland is virtually an island.

I shall take a ferry today evening to make a business trip to Stockholm. First a dinner in the fish restaurant then a good sleep before the ferry arrives in Stockholm in the early morning. (Sweden is one hour behind Finland every day. That makes 365 hours a year.)

Calling on Åland Island is not only for making it possible to buy cheaper booze. The ferries are vital to those 30000 people living on the island and their businesses as well as tourists. Of course, the night time departures from Långnäs are not very popular.

There are four daily departures on the Helsinki-Stockholm route and eight ones on the Turku-Stockholm route. Thus, the daily capacity of the routes is about 30000 passengers and 12 lane kilometers of vehicles.

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Old September 8th, 2016, 09:07 AM   #34434
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Crazy Europeans and their small countries

I made maybe 40 000 km in past 12 months

I am just driving to work and home mostly, not even a good vacation
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Small country has nothing to do with that, my neighbour drives over 70k per year...

Chris also cycles to work, so that makes the amount of kms travelled/year a lot smaller. You just live (relatively) far away from where you work...
I think 12,000 km/year is about the average for a car. But many households have a second car that is used only for shopping and short trips, so 20,000 - 30,000 kilometers per year is quite common for people who commute to work by car. And many drive much more than that.

But the Dutch generally take few long trips per year. For most people, driving more than 2 hours in one direction is limited to vacation trips 2 or 3 times per year.

I don't drive that much within the Netherlands, as I live close to work, it's less than 10 minutes on the bicycle. So most of my car trips are social / recreational in nature, not counting the 4 km trips to the supermarkt every week.

And I drive much less during the winter. And this is the first time I took two 6,000+ kilometer trips in a year. Most of my colleagues think I'm crazy driving that much. But what am I supposed to do on vacation, sit in a chair all day on a campsite? I'm bored within 2 hours. So I take a several hour trip every day, to go sightseeing or hiking, or both.
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Old September 8th, 2016, 09:32 AM   #34435
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A small question for those who knows : which Balkan country has the cheapest diesel prices? (Between Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, Albania and Kosovo)
If you are ready to take a detour, Macedonia then
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Old September 8th, 2016, 10:31 AM   #34436
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If you are ready to take a detour, Macedonia then
Okay, thanks, this is coherent with what on saw on some website who claim to compare the price of oil between countries (but which I didn't believed)...

Also, no, no detour through Macedonia, because for me Macedonia is a place easily reachable for me by the Serbian highway, so I would certainly go to Skopje for a full week-end, someday...
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Old September 8th, 2016, 04:14 PM   #34437
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That's the Pierre St Martin Pass (I don't know if it has a name in Spanish, it is not posted there). Larrau is one pass to the west, which is also quite nice, I took a hike there.

Some of the landscape in the area looks very similar to the Sierra Nevada in California, especially the exposed rocks with pine trees around Pierre St Martin Pass and Garganta del Escalar. Then again some of those 'congosts' in western Catalunya look similar to Arizona or Utah.
Oh, right, I was referring to Pierre St Martin, I mistook them

The southern side of the Pyrinees can indeed be quite different from the northern side. It is much drier and the landscapes look more 'chaotic'.

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Crazy Europeans and their small countries

I made maybe 40 000 km in past 12 months

I am just driving to work and home mostly, not even a good vacation
Wow. IIRC, the year I drove the most I made even less than 10,000 km But then again, I don't use the car for long trips on holidays, and Spanish cities are quite dense, which makes cars less convenient as a means of transport.
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Old September 8th, 2016, 10:51 PM   #34438
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Old September 9th, 2016, 02:07 AM   #34439
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Just saw this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns30XeulhHo a compilation of crashes inside Slovak tunnels made by the national motorway company.... with a special music
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Old September 9th, 2016, 09:56 AM   #34440
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Greetings from Sardinia.

On my way from Brescia to Malpensa airport, yesterday, one of my tires broke so I pulled over on an emergency bay and changed it. Unfortunately I left my emergency blinkers and headlights on, so when I tried to start the engine, nothing happened: the battery was drained
I had to use the sos phones and get assistance...
Bad luck continues... 4 days ago I went for a swim in Sardinian sea and I forgot I had the cell phone in my pocket... I tried to revive it, no luck, I had to buy a new one.
2 days ago, I was driving to Cala Gonone, and we had to stop mid-road to let a huge bus pass on a tight curve. The lady in the car in front of me panicked and engaged the reverse without looking and bumped me in my rental car.
In the end she offered to pay for repairs and now the car is good as new, but let me tell you, this is a stressful vacation...
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