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Old September 26th, 2016, 01:37 PM   #34581
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Yup. I found Alaejos (on A-62 between Valladolid and Salamanca) is as far as possible without leaving Earth from Wellington.
There is a nice article about antipodes in the English Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipodes

The article contains a chart (overlapped maps) to find the antipodal locations. It is interesting to see that the whole continent of Australia maps into the Northern Atlantic Ocean.
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Old September 26th, 2016, 02:01 PM   #34582
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I traveled with a ferry from Stockholm (Sweden) to Turku (Finland). On board the ferry there was also a conference with an exact schedule. The funny thing is that they used the Swedish time zone until mid-day (when we were half-way to Finland) and the Finnish time zone after that. You can imagine that the conference scheduled hours were messed up a little by this...
Sounds Viking Grace. The arrangement related to time zones vary across ships.
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Old September 26th, 2016, 07:23 PM   #34583
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Yes, I spent 48 hours on Viking Grace.
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Old September 26th, 2016, 08:06 PM   #34584
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Yes, I spent 48 hours on Viking Grace.
Aaaargh. That is really hardcore.
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Old September 26th, 2016, 10:47 PM   #34585
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They should just adopt UTC.
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Old September 26th, 2016, 10:57 PM   #34586
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^ Doesn't make sense.
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Old September 26th, 2016, 11:22 PM   #34587
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Better the departure port time.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old September 27th, 2016, 01:53 AM   #34588
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Greetings from Madrid. I drove all the way from Turin, through Briançon, Gap, Montpellier (with a stop to eat oysters in Bouzigues), Girona, Lleida (stop for sleeping), Zaragoza.
One week conference, and then I will drive back next Friday...
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Old September 27th, 2016, 11:19 AM   #34589
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Have you seen the space-time fold that exists West of Zaragoza? There kilometers can range in length from 600 to 1500 meters... Or at least that is how kmposts on A-2 are placed . I measured it from Z-40 all the way out to Ariza and found between kmposts 193 and 312 there are only 113 real km. Including the part between kmposts 244 and 255 that is only 7.2 real km long.
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Old September 27th, 2016, 12:02 PM   #34590
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Greetings from Madrid. I drove all the way from Turin, through Briançon, Gap, Montpellier (with a stop to eat oysters in Bouzigues), Girona, Lleida (stop for sleeping), Zaragoza.
One week conference, and then I will drive back next Friday...
Are you driving back same way or through the "Northern route" (San Sebastian, Bordeaux, Clemont-Ferrand, Lyon, Modane/Frejus)?
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Old September 27th, 2016, 02:49 PM   #34591
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I find interesting that, when driving from Turin or Grenoble towards Marseille, there is a motorway gap... near Gap, France.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old September 27th, 2016, 04:32 PM   #34592
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I drove to Italy this past weekend for a birthday. Milan is a pain to get through, intense congestion on A4 on Friday and Monday. The Milano-Est toll barrier is crazy, it goes from 17 toll gates plus two feeder lanes to 3 lanes within a short distance. Traffic came to a complete stop in a V-shape fashion for several minutes. They should construct a second deck to A4 or something.

No waiting time at the Gotthard Tunnel on Monday morning. On the way to Italy we stopped at the Gotthard Pass for a break, as we had some time to spare. I think the interchange at the summit is the highest grade-separated interchange in Europe (2109 m).

Traffic from Chiasso to Lugano during the morning rush hour is also quite intense, it was the last congestion of the day. We had no problems in Luzern, Basel or Germany. Just a lot of Baustellen in Germany (except for A5).

We drove 2500 km in 4½ days. Not exceptional by my standards, but many colleagues thought it was crazy to drive all the way to Lake Garda just for an extended weekend. Flying would've been much more expensive at reasonable times, and Malpensa - Lago di Garda is also not a favorable route. There aren't many flights to Verona or Bergamo. Besides, I don't mind driving.
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Old September 27th, 2016, 05:21 PM   #34593
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I drove to Italy this past weekend for a birthday. Milan is a pain to get through, intense congestion on A4 on Friday and Monday. The Milano-Est toll barrier is crazy, it goes from 17 toll gates plus two feeder lanes to 3 lanes within a short distance. Traffic came to a complete stop in a V-shape fashion for several minutes. They should construct a second deck to A4 or something.
Why did you not take A52 and the short stretch on the Pedemontana to avoid A4 through the central sector altogether?
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Old September 27th, 2016, 05:32 PM   #34594
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Google Maps suggested that A4 was still the fastest route despite the traffic congestion.

The delay was greater than the VMSs displayed though. Approaching Milano-Est, a VMS stated an 18 minute driving time to Nudo A4-A8, while in reality it was more like 40 minutes.
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Old September 27th, 2016, 05:40 PM   #34595
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Have you heard of the latest strange "right" some villages are trying to create?

Apparently, in England, some cities want navigation services (in particular Google and TomTom) to accept the right of local administrators to 'take off' certain streets from the routing algorithm, such that the navigation apps would not send traffic through slightly faster but once quiet and ignored secondary routes. This is not about improperly mapped routes (like a farm dirty track or a very narrow street being coded as rural open roads for algorithm purposes), but letting cities decide just to have certain routes being "banned" from showing up for drivers.

Can't believe it, it is one step before asking for a "right not to be mapped" or other b.s.
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Old September 27th, 2016, 05:45 PM   #34596
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Well, I can understand that communities don't want traffic taking a residential street because it's 30 seconds faster than a major arterial. Residential streets are not designed to handle high volumes of traffic.

Governments have long attempted to reroute traffic with signage. That doesn't work, because the majority of motorists have knowledge of the road network and decides that other routes are faster or more convenient. GPSs are taking over that role to some extent.
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Old September 27th, 2016, 06:28 PM   #34597
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I drove to Italy this past weekend for a birthday. Milan is a pain to get through, intense congestion on A4 on Friday and Monday. The Milano-Est toll barrier is crazy, it goes from 17 toll gates plus two feeder lanes to 3 lanes within a short distance. Traffic came to a complete stop in a V-shape fashion for several minutes. They should construct a second deck to A4 or something.
Milano is really weird thing. i never had problems at Milano Est, but had on Milano ovest. last time in July the worst. thus, it has some very weird massive yellow fences in tube shape, and weird stairs to the roof which have protection metal net/fence - waiting there you feel like in jail.
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Old September 28th, 2016, 01:05 AM   #34598
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Have you heard of the latest strange "right" some villages are trying to create?

Apparently, in England, some cities want navigation services (in particular Google and TomTom) to accept the right of local administrators to 'take off' certain streets from the routing algorithm, such that the navigation apps would not send traffic through slightly faster but once quiet and ignored secondary routes. This is not about improperly mapped routes (like a farm dirty track or a very narrow street being coded as rural open roads for algorithm purposes), but letting cities decide just to have certain routes being "banned" from showing up for drivers.

Can't believe it, it is one step before asking for a "right not to be mapped" or other b.s.
Google Maps algorithms already route drivers through major/rural roads, instead of minor/urban ones, even if the latters are slighty shorter. I've no much experience with other route planning software, but I think they work pretty much the same.

Some countries like P.R. China or South Korea have already strong restrictions on public availability of geographical data, with the pretext of 'national security' concerns. I seriously hope that Europe will never take that way. Considering how paranoid are some countries about privacy and such (Germany, Austria, and aparently, now also the UK), I won't be surprised if some courts will state that municipalities have the right to ask for removal of certain public roads from route planning algorithms, and those decisions will became laws, and then other countries will do the same. This would be a disaster for freedom of information.
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Old September 28th, 2016, 10:06 AM   #34599
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The privacy concerns of the UK are really baffling to me considering they have probably the most intrusive government surveillance in all of the Western world.
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Old September 28th, 2016, 10:29 AM   #34600
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I don't see why people should be upset about government surveillance when corporate surveillance (Google, Facebook, etc.) is just as or even more intrusive.

Yesterday I went to a household appliance store called 'Blokker'. An hour later on Facebook I get a Blokker ad for the first time. My GPS was off, but the Facebook app probably sent data over the wifi connection, linking my visit to Blokker to Facebook advertising.
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