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Old October 7th, 2016, 03:22 PM   #34661
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I've never seen a Chinese plate in Europe nor in Russia so I believe they are already restricted. In Russia I've seen plates from all former USSR countries (mostly trucks). And EU drivers can drive their car everywhere in those countries (of course with doing temporary import of your own car).
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Old October 7th, 2016, 04:04 PM   #34662
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I've read some reports about Europeans driving all the way to China and there was some year ago a Chinese SSC forumer who drove to Europe. So, maybe there's a way to do it, but costly and involving a lot of burocracy.
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Old October 7th, 2016, 04:17 PM   #34663
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I've never seen a Chinese plate in Europe nor in Russia so I believe they are already restricted.
Once I saw four Chinese cars in Ljubljana, so they're allowed. AFAIK, you may also drive in China, but they place Chinese license plates on top of yours and you may have to do a driving exam in China first.

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Old October 7th, 2016, 06:31 PM   #34664
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I am just curious how can a speed camera scan their licence plate.
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Old October 7th, 2016, 10:24 PM   #34665
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I saw a car with Brazilian number plates in France last May.

In addition, I saw cars with Portuguese, Italian and Greek number plates in Norway last summer.
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Old October 7th, 2016, 10:36 PM   #34666
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I already saw a few time some trucks with iranian plates in Hungary...

(I almost always check the plates of other cars on the road, especially if I'm alone, it's kind of funny... and by looking at romanians and french plates, I can say from which part of those countries they come from (on romanian plates the 2 first letters tells the Judet (~region/county), for example AR=Arad, TM=Timisoara, CJ=Cluj,... : and for french plates on older plates the 2 last numbers tells the number of the county (département) there is 101 county in France, and on the newer plates those 2 last numbers are smaller and added at the very right of the plate (like on italian plates) with the logo of the region...., but they are only "symbolic" now and when you change the plates of the car you choose the number county you want so it says from where the car comes from (but not always as some people prefer to put others county on it even if they don't live and use the car there....)
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Old October 7th, 2016, 11:11 PM   #34667
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I saw a car with Brazilian number plates in France last May.
Once I saw a bus from Brazil in Switzerland.
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Old October 7th, 2016, 11:27 PM   #34668
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AFAIK, you may also drive in China, but they place Chinese license plates on top of yours and you may have to do a driving exam in China first.
All that involves complex bureaucratic procedures that effectively makes driving with your own car in China practically impossible. Making driving exam is not that hard as I've seen (it can be done in English), but it cannot be done on border crossing.

Until driving in China becomes possible for foreigners under conditions like in Turkmenistan (yes, it is quite possible) then ultimate tour Europe-Vladivostok over Siberia and then driving back over China and various *stan countries will become possible - and I believe it will become quite attractive for adventurous people like me. Already now there are many cyclists that make tours Europe-China as there are no hard restrictions about that.
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Old October 7th, 2016, 11:34 PM   #34669
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All that involves complex bureaucratic procedures that effectively makes driving with your own car in China practically impossible. Making driving exam is not that hard as I've seen (it can be done in English), but it cannot be done on border crossing.
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Which is why I think EU should ban the use of Chinese driver's licenses within its territory. Reciprocity. Chinese drivers who want to drive in EU should be obliged to take a driving test.
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Old October 7th, 2016, 11:42 PM   #34670
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I saw a car with Brazilian number plates in France last May.
On our trip to Russia on Finnish-Russian border there was a car (jeep) before us from Brazil, apparently doing a trip around the world. We didn't speak to them as they had some serious paper business with Russian bureaucracy - even more than we from EU.
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Old October 7th, 2016, 11:54 PM   #34671
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Chinese drivers who want to drive in EU should be obliged to take a driving test.
I don't think that will change anything. But with time China will surely open for driving especially if they will fall into some economic crisis.
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Old October 7th, 2016, 11:58 PM   #34672
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I think EU should retaliate against China w.r.t these driving rules, and also other countries that do not allow foreign cars or foreign-licensed drivers to drive cars within their territory. So if people cannot take their cars, or their driver's licenses, to temporarily drive cars in other country, drivers from such country should face the same restrictions in Europe.
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Which is why I think EU should ban the use of Chinese driver's licenses within its territory. Reciprocity. Chinese drivers who want to drive in EU should be obliged to take a driving test.
You make it sound like the EU's #1 problem. I'm glad I can say I've seen four cars from China in my city, because they're very rare in Europe.

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Old October 8th, 2016, 12:29 AM   #34673
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You make it sound like the EU's #1 problem. I'm glad I can say I've seen three cars from China in my city, because they're very rare in Europe.
EU can multitaks. And I'm not talking of Chinese cars, I'm talking about Chinese drivers who come to EU countries and use their licenses to drive EU-plated cars (something foreigners cannot do in China). I do no want Chinese drivers licenses accepted for driving in EU until EU licenses are accepted in China. I want this reciprocity policy also directed to countries like Saudi Arabia (a ban on Saudis driving in EU since women cannot drive there, for instance).
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Old October 8th, 2016, 12:36 AM   #34674
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but that is small-minded... it would hurt Chinese people and would hurt EU people as well (loss of tourism from people avoiding travel, loss of business for auto-rental companies, etc)

Especially in the case of the PRC which if some random people who were affected wrote letters to the government, it wouldn't really care to react either...
You could put sanctions on key PRC people like Xi Jinping but, he doesn't drive himself anywhere
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Old October 8th, 2016, 12:45 AM   #34675
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EU can multitaks. And I'm not talking of Chinese cars, I'm talking about Chinese drivers who come to EU countries and use their licenses to drive EU-plated cars (something foreigners cannot do in China). I do no want Chinese drivers licenses accepted for driving in EU until EU licenses are accepted in China. I want this reciprocity policy also directed to countries like Saudi Arabia (a ban on Saudis driving in EU since women cannot drive there, for instance).
The problem is called realpolitik. With China being one of the world's biggest industrial powers, and Saudi Arabia being full of oil, other countries don't have interests in taking position against them, especially for merely idealistic reasons.
Saudi Arabia is really extreme, in the matter of freedom of movement for foreigners. Non-muslims can't enter Mecca and Medina for any reason (there are checkpoints on roads entering those cities, where people are asked to show written proofs of being muslims, and there are 'Muslims only' road signs). Visiting other parts of the country as a tourist requires being part of a guided tour that follow you in any place you go and let you see only what the regime wants to show. You can't go anywhere alone. Also foreign workers are stricly controlled by secret police and their movements outside factory compounds are stricly monitored.
Only North Korea currently imposes such strong limitation to movement of foreign visitors. Even travelling across the Eastern bloc before 1989 was much easier.
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Old October 8th, 2016, 01:22 AM   #34676
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EU can multitaks. And I'm not talking of Chinese cars, I'm talking about Chinese drivers who come to EU countries and use their licenses to drive EU-plated cars (something foreigners cannot do in China). I do no want Chinese drivers licenses accepted for driving in EU until EU licenses are accepted in China. I want this reciprocity policy also directed to countries like Saudi Arabia (a ban on Saudis driving in EU since women cannot drive there, for instance).
I prefer Chinese money to childish retaliation.
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Old October 8th, 2016, 04:38 PM   #34677
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Something is really intriguing:
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Only Belgium and Hong Kong license can be converted directly without any test requirement. License from other country/region including Macau, Taiwan does not qualify.
http://wikitravel.org/en/Driving_in_China
http://china.diplomatie.belgium.be/e...rivers-license

Of all the countries of the world why Belgium?
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Old October 8th, 2016, 04:46 PM   #34678
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Belgium signed a treaty with China in 1994 with driver's license reciprocity.
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Belgium signed a treaty with China in 1994 with driver's license reciprocity.
why no other countries succeeded/traid to do the same?
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Old October 8th, 2016, 06:30 PM   #34680
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On our trip to Russia on Finnish-Russian border there was a car (jeep) before us from Brazil, apparently doing a trip around the world. We didn't speak to them as they had some serious paper business with Russian bureaucracy - even more than we from EU.
I also saw a Jeep. Maybe it was the same one...
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