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Old October 24th, 2016, 01:04 AM   #34821
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That's a difficult situation;
* continue driving at speed: risk plowing into a vehicle in front of you
* braking hard: risk having other people plow into you
Every driver is responsible for driving safely and adapting the driving to the conditions of the road and environment.

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If there's low visibility, every driver has to adapt the speed to a safety margin for such visibility.

A driver is not there to think, what if someone else won't adapt his/her speed.
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Old October 24th, 2016, 01:18 AM   #34822
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it's usually not about bulbs, but electrical or mechanical failure.
I understand, but I really can't imagine such a failure existing for more than maybe 24 h at most... what is happening with the railway company

Maybe they haven't been sued enough after accidents happen...
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Old October 24th, 2016, 01:39 AM   #34823
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Railway crossings without barriers are extremely dangerous.
I looked into this a bit and its not completely straightforward. Really, the human factor is the biggest problem. Even the gated crossings show very high number of accidents.

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I found this presentation from 2015 with some more up to date data.

There's been 8001 railway crossings under the management of SŽDC as of 2014, 4252 were just with a sign, 2180 with lights and 1172 with electronic gates, 359 with mechanical gates.

SŽDC fitted 22 gated railway crossings and scrapped 40 railway crossings in 2014.

There were 36 % of all the deaths on the gated railway crossings in 2014, while only 9 % on the railway crossings with signs only. There were 55 % of all the deaths on the railway crossings with lights.

From those graphs on page 27 seems that, accident wise, it doesn't make much sense to improve the sign only railway crossings, but it seems sensible to equip railway crossings that have lights also with gates as they show more than proportional number both of accidents and deaths (in the year 2014).

All in all however the biggest problem is the drivers' recklessness.
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Old October 24th, 2016, 07:35 AM   #34824
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A driver is not there to think, what if someone else won't adapt his/her speed.
That's a recipe for disaster
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Old October 24th, 2016, 08:40 AM   #34825
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That's a recipe for disaster
Indeed. I would not say that being careful for others has saved my life, but as for me, it has, at least, saved my car for countless times.

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I understand, but I really can't imagine such a failure existing for more than maybe 24 h at most... what is happening with the railway company

Maybe they haven't been sued enough after accidents happen...
Sometimes it is done on purpose - e. g. there is a reconstruction of signalling. But there is also vandalism and accident factor - railway company usually act immediately, but it can't prevent some trains to pass. Needless to say, that train drivers are professionals and passing a "stop" signal or exceeding a speed limit is punished severely.
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Old October 24th, 2016, 04:32 PM   #34826
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Greetings from train that is 150 minutes late...
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Old October 24th, 2016, 06:07 PM   #34827
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That's a recipe for disaster
The social optimal behaviour in such a situation is to follow the rules, everyone should behave like that. The rules says that you should adapt the speed to the condition of the road. Once people will start to count with the fact that other's don't obey the rules, and therefore also don't obey the rules, the whole system will fall apart.
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Old October 24th, 2016, 06:22 PM   #34828
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The social optimal behaviour in such a situation is to follow the rules, everyone should behave like that. The rules says that you should adapt the speed to the condition of the road. Once people will start to count with the fact that other's don't obey the rules, and therefore also don't obey the rules, the whole system will fall apart.
The system is already fallen apart, so I don't see what is the purpose of following the rules to the letter and happily smashing your nose into the truck ahead.
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Old October 24th, 2016, 06:43 PM   #34829
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The system is already fallen apart, so I don't see what is the purpose of following the rules to the letter and happily smashing your nose into the truck ahead.
Are we talking about the same case of a fog wall?

The rules require you to slow down and adjust the speed to the conditions of the road because of the minimum visibility. That's what everyone should do, if following the rules.

If you decide to not follow the rules and keep high speed, because you expect all the other drivers behind you are not following the rules and you are scared that they will smash into you. Just then you will smash into the truck ahead that did follow the rules and slowed down.

That's the reason why there are the rules at all in fact. So that people don't have to use their judgement all the time, and as a result you would have half the people taking different decision than the other half which would case enormous trouble.
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Old October 24th, 2016, 07:32 PM   #34830
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I agree with you, that would work in a perfect world. Since I know that such a world doesn't exist, I brake looking carefully ahead and behind me.
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Old October 24th, 2016, 08:05 PM   #34831
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I brake looking carefully ahead and behind me.
Exactly. That's what Chris originally wrote.

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That's a difficult situation;
* continue driving at speed: risk plowing into a vehicle in front of you
* braking hard: risk having other people plow into you
If you have a car with perfect brakes, other people with worse brakes or just driving faster behind you could hit you if you brake to hard...
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Old October 24th, 2016, 11:35 PM   #34832
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In this parking lot they put a steel bar to make it inacessible by trucks, however this trucker was smarter:





http://www.triesteprima.it/cronaca/i...obre-2016.html
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old October 26th, 2016, 07:11 PM   #34833
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In this parking lot they put a steel bar to make it inacessible by trucks, however this trucker was smarter:





http://www.triesteprima.it/cronaca/i...obre-2016.html
"Stronger" would be more suitable
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Old October 26th, 2016, 11:58 PM   #34834
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I've bought some Serbian cookies that I haven't eaten since 1980s. They still have the same taste.
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Old October 27th, 2016, 12:35 AM   #34835
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I've bought some Serbian cookies that I haven't eaten since 1980s. They still have the same taste.
Jaffa cakes?
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Old October 27th, 2016, 12:45 AM   #34836
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No, Plazma from Bambi.
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Old October 27th, 2016, 01:17 AM   #34837
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During the communist dictatorship in Yugoslavia, did it import any industrialized food from the West?
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Old October 27th, 2016, 10:18 AM   #34838
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Coca cola for example. It was locally produced from imported syrup (this is usual more or less all over the world) but still it was a "capitalist drink". Cigarettes and spirits were imported too, but were much more expensive than local ones. Lewis pants were accessible too.
Of course this was happening more in 70ies and 80ies, before that foreign goods were almost nonexistent
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Old October 27th, 2016, 10:35 AM   #34839
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Yeah, my parents often recall their first Coca-cola experience in Yugoslavia :-)
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Old October 27th, 2016, 03:12 PM   #34840
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The worst drink ever.
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