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Old January 23rd, 2017, 09:27 PM   #35441
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old January 25th, 2017, 09:17 AM   #35442
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What time do you consider the best to buy a new car to get a most reduced price? I think in terms of marketing strategy? Except the end of year.

I was about to buy a car - a 2016 model - over the last weeks, which price was ridiculously reduced because the car importer wanted to get rid of "old" cars. The car manufacturer was also supplying 2017 models which were more expensive than 2016 models (even without price reductions) - I guess because they want to force you to buy and help them to get rid of "old" models.

Now the 2016 models are over and only expensive 2017 models remained. We tried to negotiate some reductions but the seller was strict. But a friend of mine told me that during the spring the car producers usually put first special offers for new cars. What are your experiences?
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Old January 25th, 2017, 10:54 AM   #35443
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Probably around the time that a new facelift or next generation model is introduced. People will consider the outgoing model 'old', so their value drops. Some models also sell less than anticipated, perhaps dealers will try to get rid of any excess stock.
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Old January 25th, 2017, 11:57 AM   #35444
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What time do you consider the best to buy a new car to get a most reduced price? I think in terms of marketing strategy? Except the end of year.
The word "best" is extremely ambiguous, and the market dynamics vary by country. There is no answer to your question, only opinions.

Here, where the polar bears walk on streets (according to Dutch sources), there are quite many factors: The car price, financing terms and conditions, campaigns, the value of your old car, accessories, winter tires, maintenance agreement, my priorities, my wife's priorities, etc. I evaluate the whole package, not the price tag of the car only.
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Old January 25th, 2017, 02:34 PM   #35445
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Probably around the time that a new facelift or next generation model is introduced. People will consider the outgoing model 'old', so their value drops. Some models also sell less than anticipated, perhaps dealers will try to get rid of any excess stock.
This is especially true when the facelift is very light and most of the people won't notice it... (ie : Volkswagen typicaly)... But it is more difficult when the company has radicaly changed their style (for example Peugeot with the newest 3008, the old one appears imediatly very old...) and it depends olso of how old was the model (if it has been already facelifted) and how actual is this design, some cars seems to have a timeless design. For example the small electric car Renault Zoé is 4-5 years old and still have a very actual design...

But if you are someone who love cars or drive a lot, you should avoid lowcost cars like most of Dacias or even some japanese/korean low cost cars (ie the Suzuki "Celery" like they called it on TGT : https://youtu.be/9Iccsa39dPE )
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Old January 25th, 2017, 09:32 PM   #35446
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What time do you consider the best to buy a new car to get a most reduced price?
Winter season usually was the best time of year (delivery date). However, I recently read that it has been changed in Germany. There is no best time any more. It's very dynamically now. IIRC, it was a report about 2016 discounts compared to the past.
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Old January 26th, 2017, 10:12 PM   #35447
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Thank you for your experiences. It is all very tricky There is also a huge difference between facelift (usually announced and covered by media) and "facelift" - e. g. small, almost unnoticeable changes between two vehicles of the same model produced in different years.
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Imagine a street with an intersection at the end. No turning allowed, just through ride. You have just spotted there is a red light on the signal ahead so you release a throttle and slowly roll to the intersection. And then imagine a guy significantly accelerating, doing some overtaking, splashing the sleet over the close pedestrians and ending up braking&slipping.

What is the sense in that?
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What is the sense in 80% of what people do?
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 04:47 PM   #35450
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Thank you very much Alex!!! I owe you at least one beer My parents have made it through Tompa-Kelebija and waited only for 30 minutes!
I'm still waiting for my beer(s)...
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 09:19 PM   #35451
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What is the sense in that?
It may make sense in a city, when there are other drivers behind you, so that you don't make some of them stay before the previous intersection with traffic lights when they could be already behind it if you drove faster.

Although, I think, your strategy is better anyway, even in such a situation, because you make the traffic more fluent. There are fewer drivers totally stopping and starting again, which always takes time.

When there is a longer queue before the traffic lights, it's very often so that when the lights turn to green, the drivers start so slowly that some of them manage to do it only when the lights turn back to red.

And then there is a funny "traffic phenomenon". Drivers starting to drive when the lights in front of them turn from green to red. When this happens, you can definitely call this traffic situation a traffic jam.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 09:31 PM   #35452
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Old February 4th, 2017, 01:35 AM   #35453
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A couple of winters ago there was a snowfall in Saudi Arabia and local authorities forbade snowmen because such representations of human figures are considered un-islamic.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old February 4th, 2017, 10:30 PM   #35456
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Well done. But I think it would not survive, unless it was some alliance of sovereing states. It is very close to V4+.
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I can't think of any modern country with a similar ethnic composition than Austria - Hungary.
Modern multi-national countries have either a dominant majority (Spain, Switzerland, Russia, Ukraine), or are made by two highly-autonomous confederate states (Belgium, BiH).
Austria-Hungary, instead, had no a predominant ethnicity, but was a mix of minorities from Germanic, Latin, Slavic and Ugro-finnic linguistic groups.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Too multinational, it wouldn't be able to survive. Look at Yugoslavia, which was also multinational and has also fallen apart.

Or if Austrians and Hungarians were keeping the country tightly together - it would be bad for all the other nations living in the country. It would likely end up with forcing the others to use the German or Hungarian language and destroying the ethnic identities of the minorities.

And why do you want to grab a piece of Poland (including Cracow, our former capital!) and just take it to the modern Austria-Hungary?

If such a country was supposed to appear now, it would have to be a union of existing countries, so it would be impossible to recreate the old borders.
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Ethnic composition of some areas has changed a lot since 1918, with Germans almost disappeared from Sudetenland, Hungary and Transylvania and Italians from Istria.
Interestingly, Croats, Serbs and Bosniaks were considered a single ethnicity back then.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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