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Old May 19th, 2017, 09:57 AM   #36221
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June 15th is really a big day for telecommunication in Europe, with introduction of free roaming also for data. It means I can get only single data plan and never bother again with pesky unsecured WiFi, or data caps.

Something I think EU did a while ago and is really helpful is the European Health Insurance Card scheme.
Fortunately my provider (Wind Italia) voluntarily implemented free data roaming before the deadline and I was able to use it already...
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Old May 19th, 2017, 10:47 AM   #36222
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As I said before, the EU should pass a measure to stop all this non-sense. Create a EU-wide "environmental sticker" based on EURO standards. Disallow any other classification of vehicles other than by their weight, size, fuel and EURO standard. Introduce a standard EURO traffic sign to make clear who can and cannot operate a vehicle (like the ones they have for weight and size...)
Germany would never agree that. And they can actually block any initiative about it.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 02:49 PM   #36223
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Fortunately my provider (Wind Italia) voluntarily implemented free data roaming before the deadline and I was able to use it already...
A Romanian mobile provider said the same: they offer free roaming 2 months before it becomes mandatory*.

There was also an asterix* at the end, which nobody read, until it was too late. This promotion was valid only for new clients, existing contract clients who extend their contract with minimum 2 years or pre-paid numbers only if you top it with a certain amount.

After June 15 we will be able to use Waze or Google Maps for navigation within Europe without having to worry.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 07:14 PM   #36224
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Good for you. In Poland we have 4 big telecom companies. Only one of them (Orange) have decided to make roaming fees disappear for good
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Old May 20th, 2017, 12:33 PM   #36225
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In Poland they managed to do the ordinary stuff. After the whole euphoria about further abolition of roaming fees around the EU they have shown their non-roaming price lists and, seemingly, we'll stay with similar fees to previous ones. Reason? High operating costs compared with low prices of services at all. But as I've read yesterday, officials of European Commision said that "our agreement was not like that" and operators might be forced to change their price lists into proper ones and pay fines for current ones.
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Old May 20th, 2017, 06:43 PM   #36226
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Our telecommunications authority (UKE) also says they will do everything to enforce the new rules on the operators.

From what I have heard, even Orange (the Polish branch, of course) wants to introduce the "roam-like-at-home" model only in the subscription-based offers, not in the pre-paid ones. So they are breaking the new rules too.

I may understand the operators - in Poland, we have probably the cheapest mobile phone services in the EU. I use a pre-paid offer from one of our main operators (Play Mobile) and I pay 9 gr (about 2 eurocents) for an SMS, 29 gr (about 7 eurocents) for a minute of a voice connection. I don't use a data package, but I can get, for example, a 600 MB one for 5 zł (more or less 1 euro), a 6 GB one for 20 zł (more or less 4 euro). For 25 zł/month (5 euro), I can get an offer with unlimited voice calls and text messages and 6 GB of Internet. A low quality data service (with a separate SIM card, with no voice or text capabilities, only for Internet) is available totally for free. Who in Europe pays less?

When I was in Germany, it was sometimes cheaper to use a Polish SIM card in international roaming then a German local SIM card while making a phone call to a German number.

It's a total bargain now in Poland, and the operators will probably have to increase the prices to afford roam-like-at-home. But, anyway, if that's a regulation, they should follow it instead of breaking it in a weird way...
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Old May 20th, 2017, 11:10 PM   #36227
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 05:05 PM   #36228
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June 15th is really a big day for telecommunication in Europe, with introduction of free roaming also for data. It means I can get only single data plan and never bother again with pesky unsecured WiFi, or data caps.
For Estonians data will become cheaper but it won't become free, unless you choose a data plan which includes some free data within EU. The issue is that data is around 3.5 times cheaper in Estonia than the wholesale price that the EU agreed on. This means that a mobile service provider in Spain is allowed to charge the Estonian provider a lot more for data than the Estonian provider charges its customers at the moment. The Estonian provider is allowed (according to the EU regulation) to charge the customer for this difference in price or they can choose to take it out of their profits.

AFAIK the situation is similar in other Northern European countries as well. This is the results of serious lobbying by mobile service providers in Southern Europe (mostly).
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 05:12 PM   #36229
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I have a 10 GB/month data plan which I can use at no additional charge throughout the EU. The price is € 30 / month for the data and € 15 / month to pay off my Samsung Galaxy S6 under a two-year contract. So € 45 / month in total.

Some Dutch cell phone providers recently started with unlimited plans throughout the EU for € 25 / month. Until recently data bundles were rather limited and expensive compared to other countries. The first thing Dutch people do at a restaurant or campsite is asking for the wifi code. Last year I paid € 10 for a 500 MB EU bundle (valid 1 month).
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 05:31 PM   #36230
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I have a 20 Hrs + 20 GB (6 GB EU) for DKK 119/month
€ 15.87/month
Free SMS/MMS
...but from the first of June or July ( I don´t remember ) is going to be
DKK 139/month
€ 18,53/month
It is because of the new deal with the roaming.
Actually, the EU made som critisism about these changings across the providers in Denmark.
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 05:51 PM   #36231
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My plan is 5 GB and 500 minutes (no SMS) for 10 €/month
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 05:54 PM   #36232
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I pay € 35/month for 20GB, 120 SMS, 120 minutes.
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 06:17 PM   #36233
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I pay € 35/month for 20GB, 120 SMS, 120 minutes.
I have a set of 7 SIMs, each contributing 6 eur/month and 4 GB/month to the shared data and cost pool. Thus 28 GB/month for 42 eur/month. Calls 5,5 cents/min and SMSs 5,5 cents each.

The operator has not yet made an announcement for the pricing valid from June 15th.
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 06:27 PM   #36234
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I used to have a 1 GB/month plan. That's only sufficient for Whatsapp and internet browsing, if you want to use traffic services or watch video you need more.

With 10 GB/month I don't have to connect to wifi to watch video or update apps. Especially public wifi is either unsecure or overloaded. If you're at a campsite you see all visitors gang up around the reception with their tablets and phones to enjoy very slow internet.

I'm glad these high cost data bundles for EU roaming are a thing of the past, it should've been gone years ago... The next step would be affordable unlimited data plans throughout the EU (if not the world). Data plans for outside Europe are ridiculously expensive still. My provider charges € 40 / 100 MB for the most-visited countries outside the EU and € 55 for 100 MB in 'world other' countries.
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 07:15 PM   #36235
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@ChrisZwolle, which countries are you visiting/filming this summer?
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 07:26 PM   #36236
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Probably the southern half of Europe. I'm thinking about going to the Dolomites in June and maybe combine it with other areas, depending on the weather.

I'm planning to take two two-week vacations, one in June and one in September. The one in September will likely be France + Spain again (maybe Portugal as well). But I'm very flexible, I've haven't had a vacation with any significant rain for the past 10 years. I just follow the good weather.
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Probably the southern half of Europe. I'm thinking about going to the Dolomites in June and maybe combine it with other areas, depending on the weather.

I'm planning to take two two-week vacations, one in June and one in September. The one in September will likely be France + Spain again (maybe Portugal as well). But I'm very flexible, I've haven't had a vacation with any significant rain for the past 10 years. I just follow the good weather.
I see.

You should travel to South Italy, then. Weather in Calabria and Sicilia is often very good in June and good in September, unless there is a low-pressure system stationed there (but those week-long cloudy/rainy spells in September are easy to avoid with 10-day advance forecast). July and first half of August can be quite crowded with tourists but June and September are shoulder season.

I think you will like the landscapes and complex roads with plenty of viaducts and embankments and what else.
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I currently have a 5 GB/month plan. My provider doesn't charge any roaming fees in the EU... and USA.
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 11:10 PM   #36239
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I have unlimited mms and sms, 5000 min to my operator and 1gb data for 9 € / month. Last time, upon my contract expiration, I opted for not taking a new cell phone, so I have kept the last one (HTC, which I am currently not satisfied with).

I also got another sim card for my travel internet. I have to buy credit in advance and than I can buy the 1 gb for 1 eur.
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Old May 23rd, 2017, 12:38 AM   #36240
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For Estonians data will become cheaper but it won't become free,
Well. The EU agreed that the data plans will not be valid in the whole EU like in the original country of the SIM cards, and it's valid everywhere, but only for a few years.

And does any of your operators do what most Polish ones does, that means, they limit the number of the "roam-like-at-home" minutes and SMS-es?

Concerning the roaming packages in the EU, in my operator, it looks like this:
- 25 MB - 9 zł - 2 euro
- 100 MB - 19 zł - 4 euro
- 300 MB - 49 zł - 11 euro
- 500 MB - 69 zł - 15 euro
in a pre-paid offer.

If I pay 69 zł for the Internet package to use within Poland, I get over 12 GB (6 GB / 20 zł - 20 times cheaper than in the roaming package, within the EU).

So the data transfer in the roaming is still expensive as compared to in the country.

The case with the Internet is interesting, because when you go abroad, you can always buy a SIM card for Internet from a local operator. It's not like with phone calls and SMS-es, where you still have to be available under the phone number from your country. For the Internet, it doesn't matter (unless you are in a country with censored Internet, although I am not sure, how it works and whether the censorship covers foreign SIM cards too).

But, actually, the Polish prices of mobile services are total bargain, so if you buy a local SIM card somewhere abroad, you will not pay much less, and maybe even more.

Concerning the data roaming prices without any packages...
Within the country: 12 gr/100 kB (= less then 3 eurocents)
In the EU: 1 zł/1 MB (= 10 gr/100 kB, so kind of a little bit cheaper than within the country!)
Zone 1: 1,81 zł/100 kB (= 8 euro)
Zone 2: 2,72 zł/100 kB (= 12 euro)
Zone 3: 4,54 zł/100 kB (= 20 euro)

So even here it's cheap, as compared with the Netherlands, for example!

By the way, the EU means also some external territories like French Guyana.

Zone 1 - Albania, Andorra, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, Canada, Macedonia (FYROM), Moldova, Kosovo, Russia, Serbia, USA, Turkey and Ukraine.
So not necessarily most visited countries, just European countries and some other European ones.

Zone 2 - the rest of the world.

Zone 3 - satellite networks.
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